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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 15, 2017 12:20:49 GMT
You could try to reduce the throat radius to reduce the nozzle size (and weight). Can you show me how?~ JUST. DO. IT. THAT THROAT RADIUS.If the nozzle gets too much pressure, make it THICKER, not BIGGER. This way, you'll save a lot of mass previously used on reaction wheels.
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Post by deltav on Mar 15, 2017 12:28:48 GMT
Presumably highly educated and capable people are always in demand and always have options. They will have friends, family or at the very least some upstart politician who wants to get attention and praise by fighting to help these imprisoned miners. Of course there would always be exceptions. But mostly this would be the case. Just my two cents. Good to see you again Delta v~ For point 3 , yea there maybe people that want go to asteroid. But you still can't setup a economy system (because the asteroid mining companies really doesn't need any manpower on asteroid as the crew can repair and control the mining base at the asteroid 's orbit with the aid of robot droneS) , and you can't build a colony without a economy system on the asteroid. No economy , so no need to discuss point 3 Good to see you too buddy! If you are saying that some particular production facility such as mining colony or something similar would not necessarily need people to live there as a community, I agree. Completely possible to have them set up by technicians who then leave a skeleton crew (or even 1 guy) to maintain and run it kind of like "Moon". Or maybe it is completely automated, and people visit only every 6 months or something similar. www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/If you are saying there is no reason for people to ever settle on the outer planets/solar system just to mine asteroids, maybe. But historically mining towns/ transport hubs became boom towns or even cities over time. With Space Islands (O'neill Cylinders), people can live comfortably, almost as if they were on Earth, literally anywhere, no planet needed. And they are much nicer than living under a dome, at least they can be. So there is lots there to make a full life in the Outer Solar System, not just mining outposts. The point of settling asteroids is to get the juice/money to reach out further to the much juicer moons of the Gas giants.
The real "civilization" with children and families might very well be there, but there is no reason a network of O'neill Cylinders in Asteroids or free floating can't also be the place civilization and complex economies can be set up as well.Whether you agree or not... For me the conversation and the mutual growing that occurs is the point. Thanks for replying. PS Check out The original Gundam, or some other shows that feature O'neill Cylinders to get an idea of just how Earth-like they can be, and you can put them anywhere, and they are doable with current 2017 tech. You don't need planets to make cities full of people. But guess what? You need the materials that are already in Space, like asteroids to build them!
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 15, 2017 12:32:31 GMT
JUST. DO. IT. THAT THROAT RADIUS.If the nozzle gets too much pressure, make it THICKER, not BIGGER. This way, you'll save a lot of mass previously used on reaction wheels. Sorry but i really can't... PLZ SHOW ME!
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 15, 2017 12:42:05 GMT
deltav Yea many mining town eventually become cities , but the city is near the mine , NOT in the mining site. In the past the mining towns is necessary because manpower is needed for mining. In the near future manpower is still needed , but not for mining , but for controlling the mining base. After all , no reason to build and no sufficient economy , so no asteroid colony.
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 15, 2017 12:49:48 GMT
JUST. DO. IT. THAT THROAT RADIUS.If the nozzle gets too much pressure, make it THICKER, not BIGGER. This way, you'll save a lot of mass previously used on reaction wheels. Sorry but i really can't... PLZ SHOW ME!
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 15, 2017 13:01:23 GMT
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 15, 2017 13:23:15 GMT
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Post by teeth on Mar 15, 2017 13:26:45 GMT
The steel is your problem, switch the nozzle to diamond.
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 15, 2017 13:28:40 GMT
The steel is your problem, switch the nozzle to diamond. WHAT? WHO USE STEEL AS SPACECRAFT COMPONENTS THESE DAYS!?! I'VE HEARD OF BORON FIBER OR WHAT BUT NO WAY STEEL!
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 15, 2017 13:31:09 GMT
i doubt if spacex build rocket with boron... (you know , REALISM)
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 16, 2017 13:23:28 GMT
deltav Why you consider moons of gas giants as "juicy"?
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 16, 2017 13:32:47 GMT
deltav Why you consider moons of gas giants as "juicy"? There's a lot of water ice and organic material so you could, in theory, brew juices out of material found on them.
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Post by deltav on Mar 16, 2017 20:52:18 GMT
deltav Why you consider moons of gas giants as "juicy"? lol... odd word choice I know, but that's how I talk I guess. Oxford Dictionary juicy
ADJECTIVE
1.2informal Temptingly appealing.
‘the promise of juicy returns’
COADE "Infolinks" In parentheses mine..."The USTA (Space Russia) was the first faction to evacuate straight to the outer solar system... to dump their people on the moons of Jupiter and Saturn... rushing for the resource rich (read: temptingly appealing aka 'juicy' ) fields of ice and methane...""...most of the other factions... (besides RFP aka Space Pakistan are) fighting over the resource rich (yeah you know it, read it as ' juicy' lol) moons of the four gas giants."
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 16, 2017 22:02:46 GMT
deltav why do you think the RFP is space Pakistan?
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Post by darthroach on Mar 16, 2017 22:08:15 GMT
deltav why do you think the RFP is space Pakistan? He read the mission descriptions, I would presume.
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