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Post by deltav on Mar 5, 2017 16:30:56 GMT
Lack of uranium is not a problem. Plenty of sunlight to collect, and a little Uranium will go a long way. Talking about intersystem exchange, a good model would be early America or Australia. At first much has to be shipped from "back home", but with time... Use your imagination. The point is to get started, and get money flowing in. With that money, comes people who want to sell stuff to you, and with that comes more and more complex levels of economics and integration. All the gold ever mined wouldn't fill two olympic sized swimming pools. If you can find an asteroid mining vein with even 1/8 of that, you'd be having so many people trying to find another one, it would be like a second 49er gold rush. The main problem really isn't anything to do with the outer solar system, but the cost of the initial investment to get profits flowing and basic infrastructure set up. At that point, the solar system is your oyster. But you need some sort of initial industry to kick start the economy and attract people to colonize the saturnian system , and the video think the exchange of the uranium and nitrogen within the moon of the system is that initial industry , which i think it is not economically viable. BTW i am going to sleep now , see you tomorrow~ It's the asteroid mining that is the initial industry since the asteroids are the gateway to the outer solar system anyway. Then this is used to leapfrog out from there in stages. The moon settlement is phase 2. Okay ttyl ;D Nice conversation.
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 5, 2017 16:42:50 GMT
Let's say, all gas giants have magnetospheres, which can be used to produce electricity. They have lots of lightweight materials such as H, D, He, C or O. They lack heavier materials such as U, which will have to be imported from the inner solar system. Metals can be found inside asteroids.
Well, I can already imagine the outer solsys colonies depending on the inner solsys colonies for rare metals, while they mass export their volatile to the inner solsys.
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Post by argonbalt on Mar 5, 2017 20:19:10 GMT
But you need some sort of initial industry to kick start the economy and attract people to colonize the saturnian system , and the video think the exchange of the uranium and nitrogen within the moon of the system is that initial industry , which i think it is not economically viable. BTW i am going to sleep now , see you tomorrow~ Absolutely wrong, plenty of people colonised places for ideological reasons, id imagine if the process was simple enough with a fixed price tag, any number of religious or political groups would seek to settle in the numerous rich belt rocks or the gas giant systems. This also ignores the fact that resource based estimates are a bad way of really looking at how well a society might develop. Britain, Japan, the Italian peninsula, All areas that are notably resource lacking for industrialised and pre-industrialised resourcing needs such as farmland and significant metal deposits. Yet all of them had vast empires and developed their own colonies elsewhere when needed. A clonist group might specifically target a resource poor rock or moon so as to avoid unneeded attention and remain un-perturbed
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 0:52:56 GMT
But you need some sort of initial industry to kick start the economy and attract people to colonize the saturnian system , and the video think the exchange of the uranium and nitrogen within the moon of the system is that initial industry , which i think it is not economically viable. BTW i am going to sleep now , see you tomorrow~ Absolutely wrong, plenty of people colonised places for ideological reasons, id imagine if the process was simple enough with a fixed price tag, any number of religious or political groups would seek to settle in the numerous rich belt rocks or the gas giant systems. This also ignores the fact that resource based estimates are a bad way of really looking at how well a society might develop. Britain, Japan, the Italian peninsula, All areas that are notably resource lacking for industrialised and pre-industrialised resourcing needs such as farmland and significant metal deposits. Yet all of them had vast empires and developed their own colonies elsewhere when needed. A clonist group might specifically target a resource poor rock or moon so as to avoid unneeded attention and remain un-perturbed Those guys who colonized Io... They all stuck in Jupiter's gravity well lol
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Post by David367th on Mar 6, 2017 1:08:23 GMT
We also can't assume that everything is built to harvest resources, if I recall in the info texts there were mentions of habitats and stations built for entertainment. Not exactly somewhere miners would be.
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 6, 2017 9:33:47 GMT
But you need some sort of initial industry to kick start the economy and attract people to colonize the saturnian system , and the video think the exchange of the uranium and nitrogen within the moon of the system is that initial industry , which i think it is not economically viable. BTW i am going to sleep now , see you tomorrow~ It's the asteroid mining that is the initial industry since the asteroids are the gateway to the outer solar system anyway. Then this is used to leapfrog out from there in stages. The moon settlement is phase 2. Okay ttyl ;D Nice conversation. Then just stay in the belt. Why go further to saturnian system?
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 6, 2017 9:36:18 GMT
But you need some sort of initial industry to kick start the economy and attract people to colonize the saturnian system , and the video think the exchange of the uranium and nitrogen within the moon of the system is that initial industry , which i think it is not economically viable. BTW i am going to sleep now , see you tomorrow~ Absolutely wrong, plenty of people colonised places for ideological reasons, id imagine if the process was simple enough with a fixed price tag, any number of religious or political groups would seek to settle in the numerous rich belt rocks or the gas giant systems. This also ignores the fact that resource based estimates are a bad way of really looking at how well a society might develop. Britain, Japan, the Italian peninsula, All areas that are notably resource lacking for industrialised and pre-industrialised resourcing needs such as farmland and significant metal deposits. Yet all of them had vast empires and developed their own colonies elsewhere when needed. A clonist group might specifically target a resource poor rock or moon so as to avoid unneeded attention and remain un-perturbed But the colonist still need a sufficient economy system to maintain their new home stable.
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 6, 2017 9:37:48 GMT
We also can't assume that everything is built to harvest resources, if I recall in the info texts there were mentions of habitats and stations built for entertainment. Not exactly somewhere miners would be. You mean tourism or something like it? Yea there are interesting spot to visit in sol~
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 9:40:32 GMT
Absolutely wrong, plenty of people colonised places for ideological reasons, id imagine if the process was simple enough with a fixed price tag, any number of religious or political groups would seek to settle in the numerous rich belt rocks or the gas giant systems. This also ignores the fact that resource based estimates are a bad way of really looking at how well a society might develop. Britain, Japan, the Italian peninsula, All areas that are notably resource lacking for industrialised and pre-industrialised resourcing needs such as farmland and significant metal deposits. Yet all of them had vast empires and developed their own colonies elsewhere when needed. A clonist group might specifically target a resource poor rock or moon so as to avoid unneeded attention and remain un-perturbed But the colonist still need a sufficient economy system to maintain their new home stable. Like what I say, they have to work and export stuffs to get money. I guess their number one economy for the outer star system colonies will be antimatter production/gathering. Sure, the local star has plenty of energy required to create antimatter, but the energy required to get out is immense. Hauling cargo out of Jupiter is far easier than out of Sol, right? That's pretty much it. We also can't assume that everything is built to harvest resources, if I recall in the info texts there were mentions of habitats and stations built for entertainment. Not exactly somewhere miners would be. You mean tourism or something like it? Yea there are interesting spot to visit in sol~ Sightseeing Enceladus! See the spectacular geyser! Find out what's under the icy surface!
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Post by samchiu2000 on Mar 6, 2017 9:43:48 GMT
But the colonist still need a sufficient economy system to maintain their new home stable. Like what I say, they have to work and export stuffs to get money. I guess their number one economy will be antimatter production. Sure, the local star has plenty of energy required to create antimatter, but the energy required to get out is immense. Hauling cargo out of Jupiter is far easier than out of Sol, right? That's pretty much it. You mean tourism or something like it? Yea there are interesting spot to visit in sol~ Sightseeing Enceladus! See the spectacular geyser! Find out what's under the icy surface! Yea antimatter is a good source of capital IF YOU CAN STORE IT LIKE ORDINARY MATTER... Enceladus is a good tourist spot to visit too~
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 9:44:27 GMT
Like what I say, they have to work and export stuffs to get money. I guess their number one economy will be antimatter production. Sure, the local star has plenty of energy required to create antimatter, but the energy required to get out is immense. Hauling cargo out of Jupiter is far easier than out of Sol, right? That's pretty much it. Sightseeing Enceladus! See the spectacular geyser! Find out what's under the icy surface! Yea antimatter is a good source of capital IF YOU CAN STORE IT LIKE ORDINARY MATTER... The outer star system is for no dummies. Colonization will start pretty late, and technology by then would be better. Even if the penning trap is still required to trap amat, it shouldn't be too expensive by then.
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 6, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
We also can't assume that everything is built to harvest resources, if I recall in the info texts there were mentions of habitats and stations built for entertainment. Not exactly somewhere miners would be. You mean tourism or something like it? Yea there are interesting spot to visit in sol~ I believe it was europa that had all the best "entertainment" in the infolinks
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 14:07:55 GMT
You mean tourism or something like it? Yea there are interesting spot to visit in sol~ I believe it was europa that had all the best "entertainment" in the infolinks Poor Europa-chan, but I really have to do this. Europa from Planetary Moe
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Post by newageofpower on Mar 6, 2017 15:15:14 GMT
Poor Europa-chan, but I really have to do this. /Takes out of context "What are you doing with that little girl? STOP RIGHT THERE, CRIMINAL SCUM!"
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 6, 2017 15:19:54 GMT
ok its time to stop that chain of conversation.
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