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Post by Enderminion on Nov 3, 2017 13:44:34 GMT
Sword and spears don't count as dakka though, so it's natural it didn't work. Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. not really, Nassau class dreadnoughts had as many little guns as the preceding pre-dreadnough
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Post by The Astronomer on Nov 3, 2017 13:48:47 GMT
Sometimes More Dakkaism isn't as good as BetterTech TM, as shown in real life back in the 19 th century as nations try to get themselves advanced weapons over saturating the enemy with swords and spears. Sword and spears don't count as dakka though, so it's natural it didn't work. The point is that you should spend more money at R&D and less at fitting your combatants with underpowered weapons. Anyways, if you don't like the 'swords and spears' part, take 'rain of spears' then. Anyways, combustion guns are like throwing spears of space battle. Except if slingshots were to be use for launching missiles or drones in space, then the slingshot is like throwing rocks, but the rocks then suddenly charge and maybe throw tiny spears.Conclusion: Combustion guns suck.
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Post by SevenOfCarina on Nov 3, 2017 14:03:10 GMT
Sword and spears don't count as dakka though, so it's natural it didn't work. Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. Not really. The dreadnought revolution was characterised by a shift in armament from a few heavy, long range batteries augmented by numerous smaller, quick-firing guns to exclusively big-gun batteries. Dreadnoughts were the artillery spam to pre-dreadnoughts' tank with a detachment of infantry. Edit : Ninja'd
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Post by Enderminion on Nov 3, 2017 14:35:48 GMT
Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. Not really. The dreadnought revolution was characterised by a shift in armament from a few heavy, long range batteries augmented by numerous smaller, quick-firing guns to exclusively big-gun batteries. Dreadnoughts were the artillery spam to pre-dreadnoughts' tank with a detachment of infantry. Edit : Ninja'd most dreadnoughts (esp German ones) had a secondary battery of quick firing guns to shoot torpedo boats as well. The guns used ranged from 152.4mm guns on later British ships to 76mm guns used on early american and British ships. German ships all had 15cm guns
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Post by mmmfriedrice on Nov 3, 2017 14:45:36 GMT
Sword and spears don't count as dakka though, so it's natural it didn't work. Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. Is there an ork term for weight of fire as opposed to rapidity of fire?
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Post by The Astronomer on Nov 3, 2017 14:48:37 GMT
Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. Is there an ork term for weight of fire as opposed to rapidity of fire? I don't know. For now, let's use 'Bigger Slugz'.
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Post by SevenOfCarina on Nov 3, 2017 15:20:32 GMT
Is there an ork term for weight of fire as opposed to rapidity of fire? I don't know. For now, let's use 'Bigger Slugz'. BUT DA RED WUNZ GO FASTA!
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Post by 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖒𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖈𝖑𝖊 on Nov 4, 2017 4:40:27 GMT
Sword and spears don't count as dakka though, so it's natural it didn't work. Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. Dakka only works if you are alive long enough to use it lol
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Post by Enderminion on Nov 4, 2017 4:56:43 GMT
Dreadnoughts had less dakka than pre-dreadnoughts though. Dakka only works if you are alive long enough to use it lol German ships had a foot of Krupp Cemented Steel across the belt, Bayern class battleships had 13.8" of KCA
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Post by bigbombr on Nov 4, 2017 6:25:10 GMT
Dakka only works if you are alive long enough to use it lol German ships had a foot of Krupp Cemented Steel across the belt, Bayern class battleships had 13.8" of KCA Which can be penetrated by an RPG-29 (AP capability of 750 mm of RHA), the MILAN ER anti-tank missile can penetrate 1000 mm of armour. 350.52 mm (13.8") is nothing. And KCA tends to shatter easily.
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Post by 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖒𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖈𝖑𝖊 on Nov 4, 2017 7:53:43 GMT
German ships had a foot of Krupp Cemented Steel across the belt, Bayern class battleships had 13.8" of KCA Which can be penetrated by an RPG-29 (AP capability of 750 mm of RHA), the MILAN ER anti-tank missile can penetrate 1000 mm of armour. 350.52 mm (13.8") is nothing. And KCA tends to shatter easily. to be fair, an RPF 29 would do jack squat to a ship, even if it did make a small hole in the side of its armour. They don't store all of the explosives in the outer two layers of a ship lol
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Post by 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖒𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖈𝖑𝖊 on Nov 4, 2017 21:00:42 GMT
Which can be penetrated by an RPG-29 (AP capability of 750 mm of RHA), the MILAN ER anti-tank missile can penetrate 1000 mm of armour. 350.52 mm (13.8") is nothing. And KCA tends to shatter easily. to be fair, an RPF 29 would do jack squat to a ship, even if it did make a small hole in the side of its armour. They don't store all of the explosives in the outer two layers of a ship lol because those old ships had some thinner armour in the upper decks like the main cabin, why did other ships not aim at that with their HE rounds? Like, the bridge was only covered in glass and barely had any armour
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Post by Enderminion on Nov 4, 2017 21:59:30 GMT
to be fair, an RPF 29 would do jack squat to a ship, even if it did make a small hole in the side of its armour. They don't store all of the explosives in the outer two layers of a ship lol because those old ships had some thinner armour in the upper decks like the main cabin, why did other ships not aim at that with their HE rounds? Like, the bridge was only covered in glass and barely had any armour the Conning tower is typically heavily armoured, as much or more then the belt and turret face, having the superstructure blown off doesn't make that much of a difference, and have superstructure fires also isn't a big deal. You can have the superstructure blown off with no issue. everything that can cause the ship to explode/sink/stop fighting is covered by lots of armour.
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Post by 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖒𝖈𝖍𝖆𝖈𝖑𝖊 on Nov 4, 2017 23:31:56 GMT
because those old ships had some thinner armour in the upper decks like the main cabin, why did other ships not aim at that with their HE rounds? Like, the bridge was only covered in glass and barely had any armour the Conning tower is typically heavily armoured, as much or more then the belt and turret face, having the superstructure blown off doesn't make that much of a difference, and have superstructure fires also isn't a big deal. You can have the superstructure blown off with no issue. everything that can cause the ship to explode/sink/stop fighting is covered by lots of armour. can a ship function without the bridge?
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Post by Rocket Witch on Nov 5, 2017 2:00:49 GMT
can a ship function without the bridge? Yes. The conning tower will have its own set of controls.
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