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Post by David367th on Jan 20, 2017 3:33:14 GMT
So if we know how to make a maginot line in space, what's the Belgium of our fancy space fortress?
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 20, 2017 3:36:06 GMT
So if we know how to make a maginot line in space, what's the Belgium of our fancy space fortress? Northern/Southern Asteroids that exist outside the typical orbital plane.
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Post by David367th on Jan 20, 2017 3:37:30 GMT
So if we know how to make a maginot line in space, what's the Belgium of our fancy space fortress? Northern/Southern Asteroids that exist outside the typical orbital plane. If we had the resources wouldn't an asteroid's biggest weakness be another asteroid. Like just take it and burn right into the other?
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Post by theholyinquisition on Jan 20, 2017 4:19:57 GMT
Asteroids make better ships than forts.
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Post by David367th on Jan 20, 2017 4:36:39 GMT
An asteroid can't dodge. Put another asteroid into the same, but retrograde orbit, and it's either dead or scoured by shrapnel. And you've lost a huge investment missile. Fixed it for you
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Post by The Astronomer on Jan 20, 2017 5:16:56 GMT
The asteroid fort will be simulated with a heavily-armored station in an extremely low orbit.
For me, I don't think moving asteroids any larger than few hundreds of meters to be used as KKV is really worth it. Nuking the asteroid is much easier, antimatter bombs far better still.
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 20, 2017 6:30:28 GMT
An asteroid can't dodge. Put another asteroid into the same, but retrograde orbit, and it's either dead or scoured by shrapnel. And you've lost a huge investment. Oh hey jim how is it going, Oh okay Sarah, hows observation going? Well, we picked up that error again... The one with rock TX-57? Yeah, the computer was auto scanning and it brought it up again, So? We sent it to nav and guidance, What came back? Well we are not entirely sure, but it looks like someone is trying to retrograde slingshot Tx-57 into our orbital trajectory. Wow really? that seams like a waste of allot of resources. Yeah so i sent the info and report to CMD and they sent a firing order to the manufacutring weapons plant and mass driver crews, we will be launching three or four heavy interceptors disguised as a mislaunched corn shipment. Whats the time till impact? Well if TX-57 shoots right round, oh about 2 and a half years, if they keep accelerating maybe eight months. Depends how much cash they are blowing on pulling this stunt. Will the interceptors be big enough? Oh yeah all together a kiloton or two of diamond composited Osmium, if they keep their foot on the gas it should relitavistically be about two to three thousand megatons on impact, enough to shatter TX-57, our lasers can mop up the little bits. Are they auto guided? Yeah but we will keep a few rounds in storage just in case, we do have the carbon mines so no rush. Hmm what a slow stupid fucking plan, do we know who owns it? No maybe like, Neo mormons, or was it Neo Maharajans,.. Either way what a waste of money. It sure is jim, it sure is.
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 20, 2017 14:14:04 GMT
argonbaltBetter do an observation flyby with a cheap, stealthy spydrone first, to ensure there isn't a defending fleet or something to eat your interceptors. But yes, asteroid fortresses can't be cheaply killed the way David was suggesting.
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Post by petrifiedwalnut on Jan 20, 2017 17:13:16 GMT
Begin Golden Eye encrypted transmission - For Your Eyes Only
Good morning, 0035. You and 0037 are to infiltrate 624 Hektor along with the first and fourth Black Ops squadrons. Your mission is to carry out the destruction of the aforementioned AHI sensitive materials. In addition, one of our clients, the government of New Moscow on Luna, has asked that a message be sent to SSOS if possible that their solar system takeover conspiracy will not be tolerated, and wishes that New Moscow's involvement be known. Quartermaster has sent the following additional information: OOC: This ought to give you an idea of what kind of organization Golden Eye is (and where the name comes from) I hadn't actually intended for them to have much of a relationship with Samaracorp - in fact, I was going to put up a report of them spying on Samaracorp. I'll do that later.
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Post by theholyinquisition on Jan 20, 2017 17:44:28 GMT
Begin Golden Eye encrypted transmission - For Your Eyes Only
Good morning, 0035. You and 0037 are to infiltrate 624 Hektor along with the first and fourth Black Ops squadrons. Your mission is to carry out the destruction of the aforementioned AHI sensitive materials. In addition, one of our clients, the government of New Moscow on Luna, has asked that a message be sent to SSOS if possible that their solar system takeover conspiracy will not be tolerated, and wishes that New Moscow's involvement be known. Quartermaster has sent the following additional information: OOC: This ought to give you an idea of what kind of organization Golden Eye is (and where the name comes from) I hadn't actually intended for them to have much of a relationship with Samaracorp - in fact, I was going to put up a report of them spying on Samaracorp. I'll do that later. I see, so visual technologies, like radar, or lasers, or anything on the electromagnetic spectrum, or looking at your giant glowing radiators?
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Post by theholyinquisition on Jan 20, 2017 17:47:31 GMT
An asteroid can't dodge. Put another asteroid into the same, but retrograde orbit, and it's either dead or scoured by shrapnel. And you've lost a huge investment. <snip of incredibly rude response> Thanks man, insults really help my thought process. My point still stands: an asteroid can't dodge. Those kinetic impactors of yours could hit your station just as well as mine. And lasers, as you can test for yourself, can be overwhelmed or destroyed. The missile will always get through. The realities of nuclear warfare and hyper-velocity KKVs means that one missile is enough.
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Post by teeth on Jan 20, 2017 17:48:50 GMT
Begin Golden Eye encrypted transmission - For Your Eyes Only
Good morning, 0035. You and 0037 are to infiltrate 624 Hektor along with the first and fourth Black Ops squadrons. Your mission is to carry out the destruction of the aforementioned AHI sensitive materials. In addition, one of our clients, the government of New Moscow on Luna, has asked that a message be sent to SSOS if possible that their solar system takeover conspiracy will not be tolerated, and wishes that New Moscow's involvement be known. Quartermaster has sent the following additional information: OOC: This ought to give you an idea of what kind of organization Golden Eye is (and where the name comes from) I hadn't actually intended for them to have much of a relationship with Samaracorp - in fact, I was going to put up a report of them spying on Samaracorp. I'll do that later. That's not how stealth works, if you sent out a scrambling signal they'd just lock onto the scrambling signal even better than if you just stayed as silent as possible.
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Post by theholyinquisition on Jan 20, 2017 18:24:06 GMT
Begin Golden Eye encrypted transmission - For Your Eyes Only
Good morning, 0035. You and 0037 are to infiltrate 624 Hektor along with the first and fourth Black Ops squadrons. Your mission is to carry out the destruction of the aforementioned AHI sensitive materials. In addition, one of our clients, the government of New Moscow on Luna, has asked that a message be sent to SSOS if possible that their solar system takeover conspiracy will not be tolerated, and wishes that New Moscow's involvement be known. Quartermaster has sent the following additional information: OOC: This ought to give you an idea of what kind of organization Golden Eye is (and where the name comes from) I hadn't actually intended for them to have much of a relationship with Samaracorp - in fact, I was going to put up a report of them spying on Samaracorp. I'll do that later. That's not how stealth works, if you sent out a scrambling signal they'd just lock onto the scrambling signal even better than if you just stayed as silent as possible. After all, we know There Ain't No Stealth In Space.
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 20, 2017 19:13:42 GMT
<snip of incredibly rude response> Thanks man, insults really help my thought process. My point still stands: an asteroid can't dodge. Those kinetic impactors of yours could hit your station just as well as mine. And lasers, as you can test for yourself, can be overwhelmed or destroyed. The missile will always get through. The realities of nuclear warfare and hyper-velocity KKVs means that one missile is enough. Incredibly rude? i was being creatively sarcastic, if i wanted to be incredibly rude i would have sounded like this: WHAT ARE YOU AN IDIOT? YOU CANNOT SIMPLY MOVE AN ENTIRE ROCK STUPID! OUTSIDE OF THE ENTIRE OPERATION YOU WOULD HAVE HUNDREDS OF FUEL TANKERS BUZZING ABOUT THIS THING READYING IT AND BUILDING HUGE ENGINES, ANYONE WITH A TELESCOPE COULD SEE YOUR IDIOTIC OPERATION! AND IN UNIVERSE I DOUBT THE FACTIONS WOULD LIKE SOME MEGA RICH BUT RETARDED CORP DE ORBITING ROCKS AROUND! But back to the point, The KE rounds would obviously have some guidance, they would need that in case the incoming asteroid tried to oh, let's say "dodge" the incoming attacks. Then you start blathering on about missile spamming, which is true, you can systematically overwhelm any laser system with enough missiles( though i still wish we could individually target multiple as that would help) be they nuclear or kinetic. But then the problem becomes where are these missiles coming from? Have you now changed to attacking with a fleet? I thought you were launching a huge rock(already pretty expensive if you want to do this fast enough) Is it now equipped with launchers as well? this seems progressively wasteful. So basically my point still stands: Okay you throw a rock at a fort, the fort can shatter it, deflect it, etc. But even before hand the whole acceleration and construction phase would take months or years to complete, your whole argument is that rocks can't dodge, but then your counter i that yes rocks can dodge so well the can hit another rock and destroy it whil it's defender twiddle their thumbs i guess.
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Post by theholyinquisition on Jan 20, 2017 20:06:27 GMT
If your rock can dodge, then you've created an asteroid ship.
I'd say asteroid ships are much better than asteroid forts.
But we're derailing this thread, so let's stop here.
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