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Post by argonbalt on Jan 20, 2017 20:23:54 GMT
If your rock can dodge, then you've created an asteroid ship. I'd say asteroid ships are much better than asteroid forts. But we're derailing this thread, so let's stop here. I see you have missed the point again. |
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Post by tessfield on Jan 20, 2017 23:58:31 GMT
Just wanna point out that lasers can be used on asteroids to move them fairly cheaply. The enemy is able to do the same though, so pointless. However, what about stashing a large amount of nukes to cause a nearby asteroid to become a projectile (shotgun like?) to take down an asteroid fort?
I ask because SSOSIC does have two asteroid (hiddenish) ship-forts.
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Post by theholyinquisition on Jan 21, 2017 0:01:28 GMT
An NEFP with asteroid shrapnel for the penetrator?
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Post by The Astronomer on Jan 21, 2017 0:34:35 GMT
Thanks man, insults really help my thought process. My point still stands: an asteroid can't dodge. Those kinetic impactors of yours could hit your station just as well as mine. And lasers, as you can test for yourself, can be overwhelmed or destroyed. The missile will always get through. The realities of nuclear warfare and hyper-velocity KKVs means that one missile is enough. Incredibly rude? i was being creatively sarcastic, if i wanted to be incredibly rude i would have sounded like this: WHAT ARE YOU AN IDIOT? YOU CANNOT SIMPLY MOVE AN ENTIRE ROCK STUPID! OUTSIDE OF THE ENTIRE OPERATION YOU WOULD HAVE HUNDREDS OF FUEL TANKERS BUZZING ABOUT THIS THING READYING IT AND BUILDING HUGE ENGINES, ANYONE WITH A TELESCOPE COULD SEE YOUR IDIOTIC OPERATION! AND IN UNIVERSE I DOUBT THE FACTIONS WOULD LIKE SOME MEGA RICH BUT RETARDED CORP DE ORBITING ROCKS AROUND! But back to the point, The KE rounds would obviously have some guidance, they would need that in case the incoming asteroid tried to oh, let's say "dodge" the incoming attacks. Then you start blathering on about missile spamming, which is true, you can systematically overwhelm any laser system with enough missiles( though i still wish we could individually target multiple as that would help) be they nuclear or kinetic. But then the problem becomes where are these missiles coming from? Have you now changed to attacking with a fleet? I thought you were launching a huge rock(already pretty expensive if you want to do this fast enough) Is it now equipped with launchers as well? this seems progressively wasteful. So basically my point still stands: Okay you throw a rock at a fort, the fort can shatter it, deflect it, etc. But even before hand the whole acceleration and construction phase would take months or years to complete, your whole argument is that rocks can't dodge, but then your counter i that yes rocks can dodge so well the can hit another rock and destroy it while it's defender twiddle their thumbs i guess. I guess some people has different vision on how 'rude' is. Anyways, asteroids can technically move, using Yarkovsky effect. This is useless practically, though. Easiest way to move an asteroid base? Attach it to a solar/magnetic sail, then enjoy. This removes the 'stealth' but add 'mobility', and change the asteroid into the asteroid ship. |
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Post by tessfield on Jan 21, 2017 1:33:57 GMT
From: tessfield@sossic.com
Subject: Rapid Response Requested
Hello [CODENAME: NewAgeOfPower], I thank you for your help, and agree with you: cooperation is humanity's greatest weapon.
SSOSIC alert status has changed to Yellow following the capture of Samaracorp-grown infiltrator. I have ordered daily DNA tests added to the security roster.
I trust you with the knowledge that I am far away from any kind of danger regarding assassination, physically speaking, but I thank you for the warning nonetheless, I value intention as much as actions. I have dispatched a shuttle to the location you sent, and as a token of trust, I will share the following information.
Vessel JAAA-8291, a purely civilian interplanetary taxi shuttle, its crew will be gassed 24 hours before arrival, leaving three agents on board that will receive your package. Don't worry about the civilians, they will reconstruct the missing days in their memory and assume nothing has happened, it is a tried and tested method.
This shuttle always moves in orbits that allow it to deliver information to our SSOSIC bases, you will be able to approximate the location of one of them if you continue to track this ship for the following year; this methodology will be in place afterwards, but we will switch ships to avoid detection. This is being stated explicitly, as there's really no way to avoid this detection unless we use a hydrogen steamer ourselves, which we don't have; our stealth is based around pervasive infiltration. Currently, detection of SSOSIC bases is irrelevant, they're visible and disguised, but their true purpose is not "active", so they're indistinguishable from civilian operations.
As I said, cooperation is humanity's strongest weapon. Thus, you are welcome to send a delegation to that location, assuming you have the resources to find it, I'm sure you'll find a way to do so, publicly if you wish, and our agents will welcome you on board where we can discuss further cooperation safely. We have access to a lot of information as part of SSOS, not publicly accessible, that may be of your interest, as payment. We believe in fairness through retaliation and cooperation.
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Tessfield
P.S. That is my actual name, not a codename.
OOC: We need a standard code for vessels (ie space license plates, spaceplates?) unrelated to their type, just a solarly recognizable ID. Probably something easy for humans to remember.
"AAA-000" 26^3*10^3 = 26^3*10^3 = 17,576,000
"AAAA-0000" 26^4*10^4 = 26^4*10^4 = 4,569,760,000
"Aaa-0000" (26*2)^3*10^3 = (26*2)^3*10^3 = 140,608,000
"AaAa-0000" (26*2)^4*10^4 = (26*2)^4*10^4 = 73,116,160,000
I prefer option 2, as I doubt we'll have more than 4 billion crewed vessels, and 4 characters looks more sci fi than 3, and case insensitiveness makes it more redundant for humans.
What do you guys think?
P.S. Will respond to golden eye post next
P.P.S. While the package/information was successfully delivered, the taxi shuttle is still a defenseless civilian ship, what will Golden Eye do about it?
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Post by petrifiedwalnut on Jan 21, 2017 1:54:23 GMT
That's not how stealth works, if you sent out a scrambling signal they'd just lock onto the scrambling signal even better than if you just stayed as silent as possible. What I am thinking is of destructive interference. If you know the incoming frequency and phase of radar or what-have-you, you can emit a signal to counter it. Of course, thanks to the conservation of energy, doing this would make you glow like a beacon to another observer, and it's useless against passive sensors. Of course, if the device is turned off, then it's just as if going silent and cold. The shuttle, meanwhile, looks like a shuttle. Edit: I am editing. There was a post in the interim that I did not see. |
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Post by teeth on Jan 21, 2017 2:31:52 GMT
What I am thinking is of destructive interference. If you know the incoming frequency and phase of radar or what-have-you, you can emit a signal to counter it. Of course, thanks to the conservation of energy, doing this would make you glow like a beacon to another observer, and it's useless against passive sensors. Of course, if the device is turned off, then it's just as if going silent and cold. The shuttle, meanwhile, looks like a shuttle. Edit: I am editing. There was a post in the interim that I did not see. That's the thing, why would you build an asteroid fort and not arm it with a massive array of highly advanced sensors? The cost of the fort itself justifies the cost of all sorts of fancy scanning equipment. Jam the active sensors and the passive sensors immediately find you, and they know you're hostile. You'd be much better off trying to pose as a ship with legitimate business there. |
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Post by tessfield on Jan 21, 2017 2:32:14 GMT
An NEFP with asteroid shrapnel for the penetrator? Yes. Very yes. Asteroid naturally gets close to the objective, all non-stealthy like, but surprise! Bomb! You have one minute to react. Hope your escape pods can get away from the shrapnel fast enough! EDIT: I will always type SOSSIC instead of SSOSIC because it's more natural. Curse my decision to name it SSOS in the first place! (I was gonna go with Solar System Standarization System organization instead, but wanted to go with updated ISO name instead  )
From: tessfield@ssosic.comSubject: The men behind the curtains Dear leader of Golden Eye Intelligence Services, whose name I don't yet know: I would like to hire your services. I would also like to congratulate you on your security, or I would be speaking with you on a first name basis. My own espionage network is effective, I assure you, for instance, this message being delivered to your own private mail, is proof of that, but we are very passive in our involvement. I have recently dealt with a aggressive infiltration on one of my facilities, where one of my employees was replaced by a Samaracorp-created human. I speak to you as my true self, leader of SSOSIC, but I request your services as the publicly visible organization SSOS. I protect my allies, jealously. This includes my employees. Someone killed one of my own, and that is something that will be retaliated against. I am aware it could be your company that caused this incident, in which case I would ask for the truth, and reasonable compensation (as I do believe in retaliation in all cases) if you would like to pursue a civil relationship with SSOSIC. SSOS will remain civil with your company regardless, as it was not targeted in this attack, and the event cannot be made public - I understand business, as you can see. In any case, assuming you are not behind this attack, I would like to hire you to investigate this event. We can discuss payment as needed. Be aware, I will cross check your report with my own network, and will assume you to be responsible if data does not match. In Layman's terms, if you lie to me, sir, expect retaliation. Looking forward to hearing from you, Tessfield |
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Post by petrifiedwalnut on Jan 21, 2017 6:32:09 GMT
OOC: Oh, I see, I made a mistake - I was thinking of an electronic warfare ECM that disables computers. I am not sure how real military vehicles spoof AIs shooting at them, so am not sure of what the details would be. In either case, the shuttle is perfectly visible - the question is just whether it's easy to shoot at or not when it has this system active.
IC:
Begin transmission
0037 to Golden Eye: The shuttle where the intel has changed hands has altered course to a civilian facility at rock TX-57. We now believe this to be an SSOS base, possibly with a civilian operation for cover. Debris in orbit due to the asteroid's weak gravity suggest extensive excavation not otherwise visible from the surface. Moreover the orbital speed of the debris indicates that the asteroid is less massive than would be expected based on its type. It is therefore highly probable that much of the asteroid has been hollowed out and is being used as a base for unknown military purposes. This suspicion is confirmed by the asteroid also being slightly warmer than would be expected based on its orbit.
Unfortunately infiltration will likely result in detection and unannounced arrival would necessarily result in suspicion. Suggest contact New London and New Moscow governments to determine if military action is needed.
End transmission
N sat at his desk and looked over the decrypted report. 0037 had always been one of those cautious analytical agents, and was pleased that his prudence had won out over 0035's bravado. Honestly 0035 was a little too much like the agent this company had been modeled after, so long ago. However, 0035 was good in a firefight, and more than resourceful enough if she could actually be landed on-target. But then, given how much SSOSIC was like a certain fictional (or so N wondered) organization with a fancy acronym, N had to wonder if 0035 would live up to her literary counterpart.
A flash on the desk lighting panel caught N's attention as he had been considering his option. He read it carefully. Tessfield was certainly making a bold move. Retaliation, then? N pressed a light button on the display panel to bring up the active list. After a few moments of consideration, N made his selection. "0042 report to the crisis room in fifteen minutes." Then he called his main client - the New London astroguard chief.
Twenty minutes later N, his secretary Sam Silverstone, his chief of staff Ryan Stoat, and 0042 were in the crisis room pouring over 0037's photographs and Tessfield's missive. "Kathleen Wang is in the detention center at Earth-Sol L-5. I am surprised that the SSOSIC seems unaware of this. Unfortunately we don't know how quickly he will be able to respond should her whereabouts become known to him," N said.
0042 was also a hotheaded agent, not unlike 0035, but clever and crafty when she needed to be, as well as capable in every need an agent of her number would have. N would have wondered if they were related, except that he knew that couldn't possibly be. 0035 had been raised on Earth in one of those families still eking out a living as independently as possible from anybody else in, well, the solar system. 0042 had been an officer in the united Lunar spaceguard, and had distinguished herself militarily, despite her flamboyant and independent personality. More to the point, 0042 would have the best understanding of the duplicate Kathleen Wang's experiences; 0042 was herself a Samaracorp product, purchased by the Lunar navy back when they were having difficulties in getting people tolerant of different gravitational environments.
"Tessfield was a name that came up several times when AltarCorp saw the light," 0042 said, breaking the silence. AltarCorp was a company that had tried to reverse-engineer Samaracorp's anti-slavery genetic trait in order to produce an army of pseudoreligious slaves. That was three years ago, before 0035 and 0042 had set off their experimental antimatter super-Penning trap in their labs and put an abrupt end to the company. "I wonder if AltarCorp was a front company for the SSOS," she added.
"Either way, it appears that Tessfield is unaware of Wang's current location. As you know, New London keeps a very close eye on whoever is going to and from that space station. Now, in three hours, there will be a report of a reactor malfunction at the station's reactor. The station has replacement parts, but regulations prevent their supply running low, so a transport will be sent to resupply them. You will be on that transport," N briefed 0042.
"I have to expect Tessfield to suspect that such a coincident malfunction will be a ruse," 0042 noted.
"Oh yes, I am sure he will suspect a trap. Here is what he will be told..."
Thirty minutes later...
Begin Transmission
Dear Mr. Tessfield,
While we have not been directly involved in your employee's disappearance, we are aware of something that has happened based on an intelligence request we received from the government of New London. It appears that New Moscow has gotten ahold of a highly-valued prisoner and has asked the New London government to hold her at its prison facility at Earth-Sol-L5.
New Moscow frequently does business with Samaracorp for a large fraction of its military personnel. What I find surprising is that Samaracorp could have produced a perfect duplicate of your employee; ordinarily growing a human being takes many years, and based on our current intelligence Samaracorp is still subject to that limitation. Personally, it makes me question Samaracorp's involvement in this matter as well; your infiltrator may have been born at Samaracorp, but have been in the employment of somebody else that Samaracorp is not aware of her mission.
I have asked the New London government to fake a mechanical failure at the detention facility so that I can send a pair of agents to interview the prisoner to determine if she is indeed your missing employee. This shuttle will depart eighteen hours from the time of this missive. If this employee is of particular value to you, then you may be able to petition the parities responsible (e.g. New Moscow) for an exchange.
Yours,
N
End Transmission
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Post by tessfield on Jan 21, 2017 18:10:06 GMT
From: tessfield@ssosic.com
Subject: Kidnapping
Dear N,
Thank you for providing the location of our lost member, my contacts have been able to pinpoint her location once the search was narrowed down to that facility, I will remember this for the future. I have dispatched a black ops team to extract her, and they're on their way.
You are tightly related to the New Moscow and New London governments, and I'd appreciate it if you could do this for me, however, as my team is farther away from the facility than your resources, and I'm sure you can accomplish the extraction with minimal political repercussions. Extraction is not retaliation, it is a good action, liberating an innocent person. I assume you can keep this a secret: we believe in karma, enforced that is. If you choose to do this, let Maha at agent_maha@ssosic.com. Don't bother tracking the message, that won't be possible.
I understand you were indirectly related to the incident, given your phrasing, but I am not interested in retaliation against 3rd parties. The job still stands, I want a name, N, a report on who, and why. SSOSIC may be an "illuminati conspiracy" (and far from the only one), but we have yet to antagonize someone enough for them to retaliate against one of our employees this way. This is someone who has made their move without just provocation, and their hand needs a slap.
Looking forward to reading your report,
Tessfield
From: tessfield@solarstandardization.com
Subject: I need to be intrusive - I'm sorry
Dear [Samaracorp CEO Name],
It appears someone on a higer playing field than ours has utilized your services to bring harm to one of my employees. While I don't blame you for this, I will send a small security delegation to your facilities (hired through a 3rd party), where I would like compile data on your past operations; I hope you will comply: when members of the SSOS are threatened, killed, or kidnapped, I lose my civilness very quickly. I am deeply concerned for the safety of SSOS members, and don't wish to see any of them harmed again through the use of your service. I do not wish to antagonize you further than this, but I can't afford to take no for an answer, I hope you understand.
I will take advantage of this situation and analyze your facilities for any trace of slavery operations; the incident with AltarCorp has stained your name, and we'd like to help clean it, as well as ensure there aren't any similar operations left. Since we will acquire access to your data, we will comb through it just in case. Be aware we will not publicize any findings, they are only for internal review, although my agent may suggest marketing strategies.
On a different subject, I would like to hire your services: I'd like you to demonstrate your cloning abilities; the required DNA will be sent with the security team. I desire for him to be as upgraded as you can create a person; this can be public, and will add onto your roster at SSOS. I'm aware you usually have to work in the dark, and can't publicize many of your best products, and I hope this opportunity will bring you more and better projects and improve your already impressive track record in the business.
Related to this, we would like to know what information you have on a governmental competitor of yours, Nippon Prime, regarding the immortality of their leader. Life extension is of interest to us, as being able to provide standardized life extension packages would greatly increase the health and happiness of the human population, as well as allowing our great minds to continue working past their body's natural expiration dates. We are willing to actively invest resources to develop this product in your facilities, in exchange for a cut of the profits, feel free to discuss this further with Hakim Kader, the only male in this delegation, he has all the information regarding this project and what we're willing to invest in it, as well as decision-making authority.
Once again, I apologize for the bold, rude move I am making, [Samaracorp CEO Name], but I find it fully necessary to protect my own. I hope you understand and we can pave the way for further cooperation,
Tessfield
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Post by gedzilla on Jan 21, 2017 19:47:37 GMT
its getting hard to follow whats happening in the Prosperous Earth universe
Right now, the Prosperous Earth thread (this thread) has roleplay (all those CEO 'emails' going back and forth), talking about tactics (i.e. asteroid forts), and company submitions.
Could someone set up a thread for just in-universe events ?
or maybe a flag indicating this is a roleplay comment ?
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Post by David367th on Jan 21, 2017 21:08:09 GMT
Asteroid Forts were a legitimate comment.
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Post by gedzilla on Jan 21, 2017 21:31:58 GMT
Asteroid Forts were a legitimate comment. Not saying they werent, and discussing the tactics and strategies used in-universe is great, I just think it would be great to have a thread for specifically roleplay comments (to make it easier to follow what's happening among other things) |
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Post by The Astronomer on Jan 22, 2017 1:48:37 GMT
I'll set up a conversation room, where the emails will be collected, and the story will be summarized. Currently, I'll invite the person as follow: tessfieldnewageofpowerpetrifiedwalnutIf anyone else want another/themselves to join, PM me. |
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 22, 2017 2:03:05 GMT
Welp. Guess that's it for my RP involvement.
Had fun. Enjoy.
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