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Post by darkwarriorj on Jan 27, 2017 2:06:55 GMT
As a self-described liberal, those anarcho-capitalist idiots can go wank themselves off with that invisible hand of theirs.  But we aren't here for politics. And as Rocket Cat points out, we'd be LUCKY to get a swedish-style hyper bureaucracy. When your neighbor on earth doesn't have his HVAC up to code, that doesn't affect you. If it happens in space, you are dead. It might take them some time, but I suspect how libertarianism in space will go is that they will throw away the machine, play around without it, then run into problems, develop solutions to these problems, and before they know it they'll have invented an even bigger machine than they started off with. Assuming they go by the principle of "least necessary coercion" at least. If they stick to their guns, perhaps literally, and reject all forms of governance, then their colony's lifespan probably won't be for long. It also seems to me that much of libertarianism is avoiding a large centralized government, instead dealing with local problems with local governance. So when their neighbour doesn't have their HVAC up to code, you go beat him up and force him to fix it. Least coersion and local governance aren't exactly unworkable in space, just that the net product will not be what they dream of, probably. Just my two cents on the matter. Politics out! |
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 27, 2017 2:08:03 GMT
I find Qswitched's estimations of crew demands to be overly large.
Warships are likely to require far less crew, imho, than they do in CoADE.
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 27, 2017 3:32:40 GMT
OH but when zoidberg said we should have less crew and nav operators everyone bit my head off, now if you will excuse me there is some delicious left over hafnium just sitting in the garbage bins.
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 27, 2017 3:45:50 GMT
OH but when zoidberg said we should have less crew and nav operators everyone bit my head off, now if you will excuse me there is some delicious left over hafnium just sitting in the garbage bins. People don't bite my head off because my inherent awesomeness forces people to consider my words more seriously ;p |
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 27, 2017 3:56:54 GMT
OH so now you are anti government and eugenics enthusiast! it figures!
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 27, 2017 4:23:55 GMT
OH so now you are anti government and eugenics enthusiast! it figures! Your salty tears are a soothing balm to my soul, just the way your bleating are like angelic melodies to my ears. Cry more  |
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 27, 2017 5:18:17 GMT
Sarcasm is hard to emote in pixelated font next time i will have to use the emoji of directness with a 300% decrease in comedic effect.
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Post by Enderminion on Jan 27, 2017 12:19:18 GMT
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Post by The Astronomer on Jan 28, 2017 5:12:20 GMT
Might be included as a series of comic strips in the final product. |
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Post by petrifiedwalnut on Jan 28, 2017 5:26:50 GMT
The impression that I have of Winchell Chung's essays on libertarianism in space is that space societies will be very tight-knit communities with very communal-style laws and rules that operate within them, but that the laws outside of them might be a great deal more libertarian.
For example, your space station crew of fifty people might have a stiflingly oppressive legal system and requirements expected of every person to pitch in, but that society of fifty may be essentially sovereign relative to everybody else in the solar system.
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Post by bigbombr on Jan 28, 2017 6:56:27 GMT
The impression that I have of Winchell Chung's essays on libertarianism in space is that space societies will be very tight-knit communities with very communal-style laws and rules that operate within them, but that the laws outside of them might be a great deal more libertarian. For example, your space station crew of fifty people might have a stiflingly oppressive legal system and requirements expected of every person to pitch in, but that society of fifty may be essentially sovereign relative to everybody else in the solar system. Wouldn't that be collectivism with extreme decentralisation instead of libertarianism though? |
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Post by ross128 on Jan 28, 2017 17:41:35 GMT
Honestly, I'd expect the answer to "what are laws like in space?" to be "which station are you on?"
The availability of materials and ease of manufacturing in space, once developed, will mean that it will actually be surprisingly easy for anyone with an agenda and a few million dollars (which is a much lower bar than it sounds, especially in the future) to build a new space station and run it how they see fit. The asteroid belt alone is a very big place, and would be difficult to police. Of course, that's no guarantee that their ideals will actually work or that the station will survive, so caveat emptor. Do your homework so you don't move to Space North Korea or something like that.
There will of course likely be large blocs that share a common legal system, though even in those there will likely be station-specific laws analogous to city ordinances. Actually unifying the whole solar system under a single legal entity though, that would require a rather significant amount of military power. It's not likely to happen until after we've gone interstellar.
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Post by Enderminion on Jan 28, 2017 17:53:43 GMT
Honestly, I'd expect the answer to "what are laws like in space?" to be "which station are you on?" The availability of materials and ease of manufacturing in space, once developed, will mean that it will actually be surprisingly easy for anyone with an agenda and a few million dollars (which is a much lower bar than it sounds, especially in the future) to build a new space station and run it how they see fit. The asteroid belt alone is a very big place, and would be difficult to police. Of course, that's no guarantee that their ideals will actually work or that the station will survive, so caveat emptor. Do your homework so you don't move to Space North Korea or something like that. There will of course likely be large blocs that share a common legal system, though even in those there will likely be station-specific laws analogous to city ordinances. Actually unifying the whole solar system under a single legal entity though, that would require a rather significant amount of military power. It's not likely to happen until after we've gone interstellar. and then someone builds a ship with a gun on it and rules the solar system, large unified empires are the only way to survive groups of "space pirates"(they attack lone outposts and stations not cargo vessels), of coruse that opens the door for war and war as we know, never changes. |
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Post by ross128 on Jan 28, 2017 18:27:47 GMT
What's to stop everyone and their dog from being heavily armed when manufacturing is ubiquitous? In the land of the disarmed the one-armed man may be king, but when everyone is heavily armed and can see any aggressor coming for months before they arrive, you're looking at more of a MAD scenario.
The question is not going to be "are we able to blow up that station?", it's going to be "can we blow it up without suffering excessive losses on the way in, being on the receiving end of a counter-salvo, and enraging all our neighbors?"
After all, if the only consideration for conquest was a credible threat of annihilation, we would have already had a one-world government by December of 1945.
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Post by bigbombr on Jan 28, 2017 18:31:12 GMT
Honestly, I'd expect the answer to "what are laws like in space?" to be "which station are you on?" The availability of materials and ease of manufacturing in space, once developed, will mean that it will actually be surprisingly easy for anyone with an agenda and a few million dollars (which is a much lower bar than it sounds, especially in the future) to build a new space station and run it how they see fit. The asteroid belt alone is a very big place, and would be difficult to police. Of course, that's no guarantee that their ideals will actually work or that the station will survive, so caveat emptor. Do your homework so you don't move to Space North Korea or something like that. There will of course likely be large blocs that share a common legal system, though even in those there will likely be station-specific laws analogous to city ordinances. Actually unifying the whole solar system under a single legal entity though, that would require a rather significant amount of military power. It's not likely to happen until after we've gone interstellar. A lasernet might be a way to unify the solar system, with plenty of cheap, beamed energy being the carrot, and ravenous deathbeams being the stick. |
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