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Post by jonen on Nov 23, 2016 23:41:50 GMT
Aye. Armor layout specifics. Beryllium copper foil (500 micrometers). For coloration. 1 meter spacing. 1 cm boron layer. 10 cm spacing 2.5 cm nitrile rubber. 10 cm spacing 1 cm amorphous carbon. Modules die if focused on. The armor gets penetrated if the lasers get time to bore through it to get at a module. But if the enemy doesn't focus fire, it works. To get the enemy from focusing fire, I put a coilgun firing KKVs ever 67.5 ms. Had about 3 live KKVs flying at any given time, and only took some incidental laser damage. That did cut a hole in my outer armor layer, but that was cosmetic, and heated up the others. Whether the success can be wholly attributed to the nitrile rubber, I'm not sure. Disarmed ships with this armor layout sent in to ram the lasing boat run themselves out of deltaV without being knocked out by the laser. 1m spacing on a missile? No. Warship. Is only a missile once enemy has burned off all weapons. The actual missiles have a different layout. |
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Post by magusunion on Nov 24, 2016 0:57:21 GMT
Has anyone tried using silver exterior on missiles to maybe deflect some of the concentrating energy from the laser on their missiles?
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Post by erik on Nov 24, 2016 7:25:21 GMT
Has anyone tried using silver exterior on missiles to maybe deflect some of the concentrating energy from the laser on their missiles? I did, was not impressed, but I did not experiment much with the layering beneath the silver surface. Depleted Uranium Oxide worked much better, but dang is it heavy and pricey. |
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Post by amimai on Nov 24, 2016 8:36:14 GMT
High density, high heat capacity armour is good at weathering most damage but not really mass efficient at all
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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 24, 2016 9:28:20 GMT
Just tested the rubber / silica combo... frankly I'm getting bad results , 10 missiles lost before reaching 100 km... I have much better results with this :  |
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Post by n2maniac on Nov 24, 2016 9:46:12 GMT
Saw the rubber, tested it. It... does reasonably, but I have had better luck with aerogel. Tested a few others: Setup: 2cm aerogel 4mm of test substance 500km launch to 500km ranged 395nm lasers ( 3x of them) Results: Basalt fiber: eh, not really useful Aramid: 5-20x missiles will fly to target with <5 losses Nitrile and PTFE: loses about a missle every few seconds at 500-450km Silicon dioxide: lol useless |
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Post by redparadize on Nov 24, 2016 14:16:06 GMT
Just tested the rubber / silica combo... frankly I'm getting bad results , 10 missiles lost before reaching 100 km... I have much better results with this : Against near infrared that setup or the 1 slica+4 Amorphous Carbon Worked well for me. Specially of "reasonable" sub GW laser. |
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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 24, 2016 14:56:48 GMT
I'm testing against violets... much more common
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Post by redparadize on Nov 24, 2016 16:46:41 GMT
I'm testing against violets... much more common Then the 1 silica 4 A. Carbon should work against sub GW laser well too. Good news because they are much more cost effective and mass efficent. |
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Post by amimai on Nov 24, 2016 17:04:08 GMT
Saw the rubber, tested it. It... does reasonably, but I have had better luck with aerogel. Tested a few others: Setup: 2cm aerogel 4mm of test substance 500km launch to 500km ranged 395nm lasers ( 3x of them) Results: Basalt fiber: eh, not really useful Aramid: 5-20x missiles will fly to target with <5 losses Nitrile and PTFE: loses about a missle every few seconds at 500-450km Silicon dioxide: lol useless you do realise that while that laser is strong, its only good on missiles that are larger then 3m diameter? a 30cm aperture laser would be 100x more effective also you can make really strong really cheap armour out of: 1mm silica (gap) 1mm silica (gap) 1mm silica (gap) 1mm silica (gap) 1mm silica if you adjust the gap correctly so your armour is double the width of your missile, its a bit(lot) of a cheat, but if the AI does not focus fire it can not penetrate this setup because all the damage spreads across the missile and never actually hits any of the armour by passing through the gaps between armour layers and out the other end of the missile... |
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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 24, 2016 17:52:19 GMT
I think we need some standardized testing setup , since we all seem to be getting different results. I've tried Silica - A Carbon on multiple layers and in my tests it was inferior to the sandwich A Carbon-G Aerogel that I use currently...
Amimai , the trick with the gaps didn't work for me , I was testing with 1cm , 2cm gaps and a very narrow tanks and remote... 20cm/30cm overall width. With 20cm a missile died every 2 3 seconds at 1000 km , with 30cm every 5 6 seconds , still much worse than the setup I have now.
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Post by redparadize on Nov 24, 2016 18:31:38 GMT
I think we need some standardized testing setup , since we all seem to be getting different results. I've tried Silica - A Carbon on multiple layers and in my tests it was inferior to the sandwich A Carbon-G Aerogel that I use currently... Amimai , the trick with the gaps didn't work for me , I was testing with 1cm , 2cm gaps and a very narrow tanks and remote... 20cm/30cm overall width. With 20cm a missile died every 2 3 seconds at 1000 km , with 30cm every 5 6 seconds , still much worse than the setup I have now. What are the laser you are testing against? I am curious. |
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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 24, 2016 19:26:40 GMT
I think we need some standardized testing setup , since we all seem to be getting different results. I've tried Silica - A Carbon on multiple layers and in my tests it was inferior to the sandwich A Carbon-G Aerogel that I use currently... Amimai , the trick with the gaps didn't work for me , I was testing with 1cm , 2cm gaps and a very narrow tanks and remote... 20cm/30cm overall width. With 20cm a missile died every 2 3 seconds at 1000 km , with 30cm every 5 6 seconds , still much worse than the setup I have now. What are the laser you are testing against? I am curious.  Nothing fancy. Its my mainstray laser. The tests are done initially against 4 of those , then if the missile preforms good I ramp up the number of ships. The sandwich that I have now usually looses the fist missile after crossing the 500 km line... . This is against 2 ships - 8 lasers. The other armors that I have tested from this thread preform worse , even against a single ship. |
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Post by redparadize on Nov 24, 2016 20:34:37 GMT
concretedonkeyYeah, I got realy good result with spaced 1 silica 4 A. Carbon against stuff lower than 300MW. I will retain these as they are much cheaper. For giga laser I will have my dedicated "silver bullet". I noticed that Laser seem to behave differently depending on engagement range. I will post more about this tonight.
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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 24, 2016 20:37:25 GMT
Are you testing at 1000 km ?
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I'm just rying to find out what are we doing differently , not questioning anyone's results.
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