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Post by someusername6 on Nov 22, 2016 23:09:57 GMT
I was very confused until I noticed you meant n2maniac's laser, not mine (it does have aluminum on the purple laser...)
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Post by n2maniac on Nov 22, 2016 23:31:39 GMT
Also, a purple laser should have aluminum for the focusing mirror, not silver. Error: Mirror will melt (Side note: if I had a reflective material that would melt upwards of 1800K, I would use it. But sadly the 2400K exhaust temperature version of that laser loses half its output power, making the reactor radiators double. 1200K it is...).
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Post by spacechicken on Nov 23, 2016 0:04:34 GMT
What about Ablative armor? Say, something tough/shiny like tungsten, backed with amorphous carbon for heat spreading, and fronted with something that boils off easily, like polyethylene?
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Post by apophys on Nov 23, 2016 0:41:12 GMT
Also, a purple laser should have aluminum for the focusing mirror, not silver. Error: Mirror will melt (Side note: if I had a reflective material that would melt upwards of 1800K, I would use it. But sadly the 2400K exhaust temperature version of that laser loses half its output power, making the reactor radiators double. 1200K it is...). The focusing mirror (the one at the aperture) is not part of the cavity, but part of the turret. As such, it is not subject to the temperatures of the cavity. It shouldn't melt. The other mirrors should remain silver.
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Post by n2maniac on Nov 23, 2016 2:13:43 GMT
Error: Mirror will melt (Side note: if I had a reflective material that would melt upwards of 1800K, I would use it. But sadly the 2400K exhaust temperature version of that laser loses half its output power, making the reactor radiators double. 1200K it is...). The focusing mirror (the one at the aperture) is not part of the cavity, but part of the turret. As such, it is not subject to the temperatures of the cavity. It shouldn't melt. The other mirrors should remain silver. Oh, whoops, wrong mirror. Thanks, that boosted its output a bit.
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Post by spacechicken on Nov 23, 2016 7:34:04 GMT
Holy shit! Guys! Ablative Armor totally works! The idea is that you insulate your missile, then coat it in something that boils at a low temperature to carry heat away. I took a bunch of my mini flak missiles, and gave them all 500um of Silica aerogel. Then 1cm spacing, followed by 500 um of amorphous carbon. Then, with no gap I threw on 2mm nitrile Rubber. (pointed nose is a must) As a control group, I reduced the nitrile rubber to 500um, and devoted the spare mass to the amorphous carbon layer (1.30mm). This missile is slightly lighter, so it has a touch more deltaV (20m/s). For my testing protocol, I set up a fleet of 4x laser frigates (non lasers removed). I sent in 50 missiles for a flyby @ 71ms +/- 1m/s After each run, i reset the scenario and run the test again. With every control missiles test 50/50 were destroyed, With every ABL8+ missiles test, 38 to 41/50 survived to strike the laser frigates. (with between 2 and 4 kills). This is far from optimized, but I think it demonstrates the principle! Man this game is awesome. P.S. my "miniflak" gained weight as they became a testing platform. Attachments:
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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 23, 2016 8:05:17 GMT
I was reading your post and nodding along the way until I saw you picked nitrite rubber of all thing.
Whuh.
Eh, if it works, it work.
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Post by spacechicken on Nov 23, 2016 8:16:26 GMT
Nitrile seemed like a good candidate for boiling off easily. I was also thinking polyethylene, but I haven't tried it. I need to do some testing to see if this is more mass efficient than other proposed ideas. I tried the amorphus carbon-gap-silica-gap X3, but it didn't seem to do much for me.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 23, 2016 11:58:59 GMT
Well it surprisingly worked.
Unfortunately I need to increase the weight of my micro missile by double.
Which is an okay trade off, I guess.
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Post by redparadize on Nov 23, 2016 16:13:34 GMT
Well it surprisingly worked. Unfortunately I need to increase the weight of my micro missile by double. Which is an okay trade off, I guess. I do not want all my platform to take the performance hit. So I developed a dedicated anti-laser missile and decoy for that specific reason. The decoy, wish I called "silver bullet", will pull much of the work. they are relatively inexpensive and light.
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Post by wafflestoo on Nov 23, 2016 16:33:13 GMT
Nitrile seemed like a good candidate for boiling off easily. I was also thinking polyethylene, but I haven't tried it. I need to do some testing to see if this is more mass efficient than other proposed ideas. I tried the amorphus carbon-gap-silica-gap X3, but it didn't seem to do much for me. Veerrrrry eeenteresting... To be quite honest I wasn't expecting it to work at all. Dangit! How am I supposed to have a life with so many interesting things to test and develop all of the time! Curse you Q!!! CURSSSE YOOOUUUUU!!!
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Post by jonen on Nov 23, 2016 18:56:25 GMT
Nitrile Rubber Ablative Armor seems to be very effective against long range laser.
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Post by spacechicken on Nov 23, 2016 21:17:38 GMT
Have you tested the nitrile ablative armor vs your 1000km laser beast?
Im thinking I will test various nitrile thinknesses and layerings of amorphous carbon. There must be a point where it gets too thick to spread heat effectively and burns through.
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Post by jonen on Nov 23, 2016 21:28:43 GMT
Have you tested the nitrile ablative armor vs your 1000km laser beast? Im thinking I will test various nitrile thinknesses and layerings of amorphous carbon. There must be a point where it gets too thick to spread heat effectively and burns through. Aye. Armor layout specifics. Beryllium copper foil (500 micrometers). For coloration. 1 meter spacing. 1 cm boron layer. 10 cm spacing 2.5 cm nitrile rubber. 10 cm spacing 1 cm amorphous carbon. Modules die if focused on. The armor gets penetrated if the lasers get time to bore through it to get at a module. But if the enemy doesn't focus fire, it works. To get the enemy from focusing fire, I put a coilgun firing KKVs ever 67.5 ms. Had about 3 live KKVs flying at any given time, and only took some incidental laser damage. That did cut a hole in my outer armor layer, but that was cosmetic, and heated up the others. Whether the success can be wholly attributed to the nitrile rubber, I'm not sure. Disarmed ships with this armor layout sent in to ram the lasing boat run themselves out of deltaV without being knocked out by the laser.
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Post by Durandal on Nov 23, 2016 23:28:58 GMT
Have you tested the nitrile ablative armor vs your 1000km laser beast? Im thinking I will test various nitrile thinknesses and layerings of amorphous carbon. There must be a point where it gets too thick to spread heat effectively and burns through. Aye. Armor layout specifics. Beryllium copper foil (500 micrometers). For coloration. 1 meter spacing. 1 cm boron layer. 10 cm spacing 2.5 cm nitrile rubber. 10 cm spacing 1 cm amorphous carbon. Modules die if focused on. The armor gets penetrated if the lasers get time to bore through it to get at a module. But if the enemy doesn't focus fire, it works. To get the enemy from focusing fire, I put a coilgun firing KKVs ever 67.5 ms. Had about 3 live KKVs flying at any given time, and only took some incidental laser damage. That did cut a hole in my outer armor layer, but that was cosmetic, and heated up the others. Whether the success can be wholly attributed to the nitrile rubber, I'm not sure. Disarmed ships with this armor layout sent in to ram the lasing boat run themselves out of deltaV without being knocked out by the laser. 1m spacing on a missile?
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