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Post by treptoplax on Jun 19, 2017 16:40:25 GMT
Mine's in as well. Oddly, I found I didn't have a lot of trouble coming in at 4mc/700kt (it's a stripped-down version of a relatively mature 8mc/1mt design I had laying around), but I had a really tough time figuring out what to add that would be useful to AI and wouldn't compromise any of the interlocking elements of the original design. Currently am trying to resist urge to fiddle it further... If nothing else I suspect it'll be at least a somewhat unusual design, so there's some entertainment value in that. Really looking forward to seeing what other people have; it's one thing to sketch out designs in private, but the discipline of having to deal with a serious opponent who doesn't think like you can lead to some real creative opportunities. Also, half the fun could be releasing a list of competitors and bracket so we can get the speculation going, once the designs are locked in.
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Post by randommechanicumguy on Jun 19, 2017 17:41:05 GMT
Also, half the fun could be releasing a list of competitors and bracket so we can get the speculation going, once the designs are locked in. Im gonna post some brackets with the rough classification of the ship at some point this week. Thing is tho that there have only been four entries including you
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Post by treptoplax on Jun 19, 2017 18:09:57 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if there's a quite a few at the last minute; in any case I suspect the *real* action will start if there's a second tournament later, when people have some idea what they might be up against. Either we'll have a real interesting design or two to try to crack, or everybody will be "Oh, man, I didn't want to show up and be vaporized at 950km by some ungodly laserstar, but I could have beaten *that*".
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Post by apophys on Jun 19, 2017 18:45:26 GMT
I have now submitted mine. Let's see how glass cannons fare. It'll certainly be interesting, at least. Oh, man, I didn't want to show up and be vaporized at 950km by some ungodly laserstar Mmmmhm. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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Post by Hicks on Jun 20, 2017 6:22:28 GMT
Mine's in as well. Oddly, I found I didn't have a lot of trouble coming in at 4mc/700kt (it's a stripped-down version of a relatively mature 8mc/1mt design I had laying around) So those metric prefixes are all over the place. 4mc is "four milli-credits" or 0.04c, and 700kt (which should be notated 700Kt) is "seven-hundred kilo-tons" which is 700x more massive than the contest limits; both numbers together is patently impossible. You then talk about a how that comes from an "8 milli-credits" or 0.08c and "1 milli-ton" which isn't a thing but would be 0.01 metric tons or 10Kg. How you inflated a 10kg vessel by 70,000,000x and then halved the credit cost is not really a thing. You probably ment to say 4Mc/700t and 8Mc/1Mt... but then again 8 million credits is way too cheap for 1 million tons; that's 0.008c/kg wich is also not possible... Could you post that again with the right metric prefexes? I have no idea what you just posted.
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Post by Hicks on Jun 20, 2017 6:23:40 GMT
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Post by Enderminion on Jun 20, 2017 14:10:17 GMT
Mine's in as well. Oddly, I found I didn't have a lot of trouble coming in at 4mc/700kt (it's a stripped-down version of a relatively mature 8mc/1mt design I had laying around) So those metric prefixes are all over the place. 4mc is "four milli-credits" or 0.04c, and 700kt (which should be notated 700Kt) is "seven-hundred kilo-tons" which is 700x more massive than the contest limits; both numbers together is patently impossible. You then talk about a how that comes from an "8 milli-credits" or 0.08c and "1 milli-ton" which isn't a thing but would be 0.01 metric tons or 10Kg. How you inflated a 10kg vessel by 70,000,000x and then halved the credit cost is not really a thing. You probably ment to say 4Mc/700t and 8Mc/1Mt... but then again 8 million credits is way too cheap for 1 million tons; that's 0.008c/kg wich is also not possible... Could you post that again with the right metric prefexes? I have no idea what you just posted. I wasn't gonna say nothing
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Post by Hicks on Jun 20, 2017 15:38:54 GMT
So for the competition, could you show the screen comparing the 2 ships before they fight? I mean, we know how our ships work, but I don't know how their ships work or what they have. It'd be useful for the folks at home too.
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Post by randommechanicumguy on Jun 20, 2017 15:55:47 GMT
So for the competition, could you show the screen comparing the 2 ships before they fight? I mean, we know how our ships work, but I don't know how their ships work or what they have. It'd be useful for the folks at home too. what, like now or when i'm recording it?
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Post by Hicks on Jun 20, 2017 16:03:41 GMT
When you're recording it. Think of it like a vs. screen in a fighting game; it let's the audience see up close who's fighting and with what. Half the fun of watching stuff like this is the audience making an opinion and rooting for a combatant, and the comparison screen is like a miniature death-battle intro that explains their literal weapons, armor, and skills before the ruckus commences.
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Post by treptoplax on Jun 20, 2017 16:43:07 GMT
So those metric prefixes are all over the place. 4mc is "four milli-credits" or 0.04c, and 700kt (which should be notated 700Kt) is "seven-hundred kilo-tons" which is 700x more massive than the contest limits; both numbers together is patently impossible. You then talk about a how that comes from an "8 milli-credits" or 0.08c and "1 milli-ton" which isn't a thing but would be 0.01 metric tons or 10Kg. How you inflated a 10kg vessel by 70,000,000x and then halved the credit cost is not really a thing. You probably ment to say 4Mc/700t and 8Mc/1Mt... but then again 8 million credits is way too cheap for 1 million tons; that's 0.008c/kg wich is also not possible... Could you post that again with the right metric prefexes? I have no idea what you just posted. I wasn't gonna say nothing Yeah, yeah, that's what I get for posting after I should have been asleep. Let's try again. I had a 8Mc/1Kt (8 megacredit / 1 kiloton) design laying around that I had refined a fair bit, and I had already cut it down once to a 4Mc/500t drone. Tweaking that to meet tournament limitations (I admit, I may be too casual about adding a few thousand short-range nuclear missiles to everything "just in case") got me a 4Mc/700t manned ship pretty easily. The funny thing was that I couldn't figure out what to do with the extra 1Mc/300t. Expanding the main weapon system was mostly a nonstarter. Adding weapons systems blew up my power and crew budgets, trying to fix that jacked up armor cost and hurt dV and acceleration, plus I hated the new radiator configuration and heat signature, etc. I would have thought spending more money would be easy but it was a PITA. At one point I even cut it down to 2.5Mc with the idea of using two, but I couldn't get the mass down to 500t (at least not in any configuration I would halfway trust the AI with) and I hated that redesign anyway.
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Post by treptoplax on Jun 20, 2017 16:58:16 GMT
So for the competition, could you show the screen comparing the 2 ships before they fight? I mean, we know how our ships work, but I don't know how their ships work or what they have. It'd be useful for the folks at home too. Heck, you could devote a whole video just to that (scouting report on all the entries), once all the entries are officially in, and post it a day or two before the battles. Like the NCAA basketball tournament, at least half the fun is the semi-informed speculation beforehand rathe than the matches themselves. Let people post their bracket predictions and see who gets it right.
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Post by AdmiralObvious on Jun 20, 2017 18:07:26 GMT
Depending on who records this (it could be me, it could be our actual host). It'd not be too difficult to do a "scouting report" video. Besides, all extra fluff you do (like setting up the sandbox, and going back and forth) can be edited out of the video before it's published (though that might lead to claims people tampered with the designs/results).
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Post by Hicks on Jun 20, 2017 19:35:55 GMT
As long as the event organizers don't have competing designs in the tournament there isn't a conflict of interest, but even if y'all do who cares? There's no money involved, just a bunch of people chomping at the bit to show their stuff in lieu of actual multiplayer. We're just trying to increase exposure of the great simulation, and nothing expands the community more than videos of cool spaceship battles. I've watched more than 80 hours of Reassembly tournaments (and bought that game because of it); CoaDE can only benefit from the same exposure.
There's a few different ways y'all could do it. Live-stream the raw footage and commentary then post it afterword; do that but edit out the setup parts when posting the video; or pre-shoot every battle, splice it together, then livestream the edited video and with commentary then post that afterward.
The first way is probably the easiest to make but the most unpolished product, the last way is the most work but would make the livestream exciting, shorter, and more accessible (more people will sit through a 20-30 minute video than a 4 hour odyssey).
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Post by qswitched on Jun 20, 2017 22:17:39 GMT
I should give a heads up. The release of the upcoming patch will likely disrupt this tournament. In particular, the introduction of safety margins in the next patch has a good chance of invalidating a good many designs. Just an FYI so the participants aren't left wondering what happened.
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