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Post by The Astronomer on Dec 3, 2017 4:30:59 GMT
Do you think the Alkali Metal-Water reactions would be any good for combustion rockets? The reactants are both dense and cheap. I already have both Sodium-Oxygen and Caesium-Oxygen. Honestly their performance is straight out of the solid fuel category but the flames looked pretty cool. It’d be interesting to see lithium, potassium and rubidium reacting with oxygen and their rockets’ performances.
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Post by RiftandRend on Dec 3, 2017 4:46:08 GMT
Do you think the Alkali Metal-Water reactions would be any good for combustion rockets? The reactants are both dense and cheap. I already have both Sodium-Oxygen and Caesium-Oxygen. Honestly their performance is straight out of the solid fuel category but the flames looked pretty cool. It’d be interesting to see lithium, potassium and rubidium reacting with oxygen and their rockets’ performances. Not just oxygen, H20. Hydroxides are lighter molecules than Per/oxides and the reaction also produces hydrogen gas. A Fluorine lithium reaction might be good as well.
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Post by The Astronomer on Dec 3, 2017 4:53:47 GMT
I already have both Sodium-Oxygen and Caesium-Oxygen. Honestly their performance is straight out of the solid fuel category but the flames looked pretty cool. It’d be interesting to see lithium, potassium and rubidium reacting with oxygen and their rockets’ performances. Not just oxygen, H20. Hydroxides are lighter molecules than Per/oxides and the reaction also produces hydrogen gas. A Fluorine lithium reaction might be good as well. Do reactions between alkali metal and water be more energetic than with oxygen? If not, then the performance would be worse.
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Post by RiftandRend on Dec 3, 2017 5:34:32 GMT
Not just oxygen, H20. Hydroxides are lighter molecules than Per/oxides and the reaction also produces hydrogen gas. A Fluorine lithium reaction might be good as well. Do reactions between alkali metal and water be more energetic than with oxygen? If not, then the performance would be worse. Not necessarily. The Dicyanoacetylene Ozone reaction is the most energetic chemical reaction known to man but has lower exhaust velocity than LOH H2 due to the relatively large molecules it creates. The molar mass of the products is as significant as the reaction energy.
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Post by The Astronomer on Dec 3, 2017 6:17:23 GMT
Do reactions between alkali metal and water be more energetic than with oxygen? If not, then the performance would be worse. Not necessarily. The Dicyanoacetylene Ozone reaction is the most energetic chemical reaction known to man but has lower exhaust velocity than LOH H2 due to the relatively large molecules it creates. The molar mass of the products is as significant as the reaction energy. I ignored the two extra hydrogen atoms that could makes water worse than oxygen. I knew that fact already, but thanks anyways.
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Post by Rocket Witch on Dec 4, 2017 18:54:44 GMT
Do you think the Alkali Metal-Water reactions would be any good for combustion rockets? The reactants are both dense and cheap. Water as an oxidiser is expensive compared to classic O2 and F2, and less dense than both. Liquid alkali metals also get more expensive than the very cheap solid versions, especially lithium; even sodium at 2.22c/kg is relatively pricey compared to hydrocarbons and much if not all of its density increase goes toward making up for the water's loss. There is however a water-fluorine reaction which was added to the Stock Reactions Extension at some point. Water and fluorine is pretty much the densest and cheapest combination of this kind and the absolute maximum velocity is 2.98km/s, about as good as normal hypergolic bipropellants (hydrazine et. al.) but with a much better overall mixture density of around 1550kg/m 3. Worth playing around with, I think. A Fluorine lithium reaction might be good as well. This can already be found in the section for lithium propellant. I thought you would be aware of it? Well if not, try also the fluorine lithium hydride reaction, which is pretty ridiculous (>5km/s) and does a similar thing to your idea of reacting lithium with water, except the hydrogen comes bound to the fuel instead of the oxidiser.
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Post by RiftandRend on Dec 4, 2017 23:29:20 GMT
A Fluorine lithium reaction might be good as well. This can already be found in the section for lithium propellant. I thought you would be aware of it? Well if not, try also the fluorine lithium hydride reaction, which is pretty ridiculous (>5km/s) and does a similar thing to your idea of reacting lithium with water, except the hydrogen comes bound to the fuel instead of the oxidiser. Huh, I looked for it before posting. Must have missed it.
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Post by newageofpower on Dec 7, 2017 21:27:39 GMT
This can already be found in the section for lithium propellant. I thought you would be aware of it? Well if not, try also the fluorine lithium hydride reaction, which is pretty ridiculous (>5km/s) and does a similar thing to your idea of reacting lithium with water, except the hydrogen comes bound to the fuel instead of the oxidiser. Huh, I looked for it before posting. Must have missed it. I built an missile using that fuel chemistry. Exquisite performance from a chemical system, combined with strictly superior volumetric density compared to Hydroflourine.
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Post by RiftandRend on Dec 7, 2017 23:06:57 GMT
Huh, I looked for it before posting. Must have missed it. I built an missile using that fuel chemistry. Exquisite performance from a chemical system, combined with strictly superior volumetric density compared to Hydroflourine. Im am aware that the Fluorine-Lithium Borohydride combustion reaction exists. I have used it myself. I simply forgot that the Fluorine-Lithium reaction was modeled and didn't see it when skimming the compendium.
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Post by Mobius on Dec 23, 2017 15:47:54 GMT
How about adding CNRP (Carbon Nantube reinforced plastic)? It's already in use in the aviation markets. Most notably on the F-35 and Dreamliner.
It Would probably make for a good armor and fuel tank material option.
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Post by Rorie on Dec 26, 2017 22:00:32 GMT
So I came across this www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/niac_2011_phasei_thibeault_radiationshieldingmaterials_tagged.pdfWhile I was working on a project for an assignment I have and wondered if we could get BNNT's (Boron Nitride Nano Tubes) in game. The whole point of the research is to find a light weight and structural material to be used in manned Mar's exploration missions. Another notable thing is that it was designed to be highly radiation resistant, (I will never say something is entirely radiation proof). It is made up of both Boron and Nitrogen who both have large neutron absorption cross sections, then they would fill the Nano Tubes with hydrogen, as apparently hydrogen is great at stopping cosmic rays. I didn't look to far into it but they have different numbers for 5% up 20% hydrogen.
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Post by bigbombr on Jan 14, 2018 9:11:06 GMT
Rocket Witch I noticed this compendium contains both liquid aluminium under propellants and molten aluminium under metal arclamp vapors. And some of the stats seem different.
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Post by bigbombr on Jan 14, 2018 21:34:23 GMT
Also, the compendium mentions Zubrin NSWR as non-funtional ("NOTE: Zubrin NSWR is reported to cause crashes or be nonfunctional."), but it seems to work fine for me.
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Post by Rocket Witch on Jan 15, 2018 20:00:10 GMT
Rocket Witch I noticed this compendium contains both liquid aluminium under propellants and molten aluminium under metal arclamp vapors. And some of the stats seem different. The metal arclamp vapours are someone else's work and part of a set, while liquid aluminium is my own standalone. Not wanting to arbitrate what makes it onto the compendium, as it's meant to be a catalogue of data, I've included everything. The different stats come from molten version just being normal aluminium with a viscocity added to make it liquid and thus usable in lasers, while the liquid version is actually researched with correct density and everything. Are you using NSWR with all the other future propulsion stuff? If so I'll remove the warning next time this is updated, as whatever issues a couple people had in the past is probably just load order or something, and this kind of thing should be a non-issue nowadays.
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Post by bigbombr on Jan 16, 2018 18:45:38 GMT
The metal arclamp vapours are someone else's work and part of a set, while liquid aluminium is my own standalone. Not wanting to arbitrate what makes it onto the compendium, as it's meant to be a catalogue of data, I've included everything. The different stats come from molten version just being normal aluminium with a viscocity added to make it liquid and thus usable in lasers, while the liquid version is actually researched with correct density and everything. Are you using NSWR with all the other future propulsion stuff? If so I'll remove the warning next time this is updated, as whatever issues a couple people had in the past is probably just load order or something, and this kind of thing should be a non-issue nowadays. I'm only using NSWR. Not any of the other future propulsion stuff.
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