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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 4, 2016 14:27:12 GMT
Hmmm.
If you are only allowed to armor a ship with a single armor layer, what will you put and why?
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Post by jonen on Nov 4, 2016 14:31:33 GMT
Hmmm. If you are only allowed to armor a ship with a single armor layer, what will you put and why? Aerogel. If it's only one layer, it's not against kinetics (will kill me anyway I go about it), it's against laser and nukeflash. |
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Post by redmars on Nov 4, 2016 17:14:08 GMT
Hmmm. If you are only allowed to armor a ship with a single armor layer, what will you put and why? Hmm. Either some kind of 'jack of all trades' metal alloy (the aforementioned zirconium copper, which I actually do use for drone armour under a layer of aerogel); or else a good, strong but heat-resistant ceramic (boron carbide is stock turret armour for a reason and I love the stuff; silicon nitride or aluminium oxide was my outer whipple shields before I started playing with OP combinations like boron/aerogel). You might also have some luck with aramid fibre or asbestos or something fancy like that. Plain boron is godly, but IIRC it plugs/spalls like crazy. |
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Post by wafflestoo on Nov 4, 2016 19:35:32 GMT
I'm finding that boron needs to have some manner of spall-liner like aramid fiber but it does seem to be really good.
I never would have thought of using zirconium copper. I'll have to give that a try.
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Post by redmars on Nov 4, 2016 20:05:12 GMT
I'm finding that boron needs to have some manner of spall-liner like aramid fiber but it does seem to be really good. I never would have thought of using zirconium copper. I'll have to give that a try. Now that I think about it, I picked it for its thermal conductivity -- the idea being that it acts as a kind of heat-sink against laser attacks. Zirc copper is a good choice when you want something with copper-like conductivity but a bit more starch than vanilla copper. It might not work that well without an outer thermal protector. |
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Post by reviire on Nov 5, 2016 0:42:39 GMT
I'm finding that boron needs to have some manner of spall-liner like aramid fiber but it does seem to be really good. I never would have thought of using zirconium copper. I'll have to give that a try. Now that I think about it, I picked it for its thermal conductivity -- the idea being that it acts as a kind of heat-sink against laser attacks. Zirc copper is a good choice when you want something with copper-like conductivity but a bit more starch than vanilla copper. It might not work that well without an outer thermal protector. iirc Zirconium Copper has low specific heat and a relatively low melting point. I'm not sure on it's other thermal properties though, I have no idea what they mean. |
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Post by randomletters on Nov 7, 2016 22:20:10 GMT
Figure this might be of interest to some people here, it's hull armor compositions of various Soviet MBTs. The numbers are thickness in mm and the armor types are color coded.   |
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Post by fallingaggressively on Nov 8, 2016 1:41:26 GMT
If that is legit, expect a visit from KGB?
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Post by ash19256 on Nov 8, 2016 2:49:57 GMT
Eh, as far as I can tell, the most recent tank on that list goes to 1993, which is more than 20 years ago. I'd say that all of that being declassified wouldn't be too far out of the question.
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Post by randomletters on Nov 8, 2016 3:33:43 GMT
When the Soviet Union broke up they sold tanks to anyone that would buy them, which led to those people taking them apart and analyzing them. It's really not too difficult to find information on a lot of tank armor if you look hard enough.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 8, 2016 9:40:30 GMT
Well, silica gel is no longer the strongest thing against laser.
Time to search for a new laser armor.
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Post by tuna on Nov 8, 2016 10:46:13 GMT
Aramid (but not para-aramid!) works well, but is expensive. I should probably do some more standardized tests.
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Post by dwwolf on Nov 8, 2016 11:52:11 GMT
Keep in mind that this stuff is mainly optimised vs longrod penetrators @~1.5 km/s and 10kg HEAT shells. With HEAT being the main opponent in the earlier armors since those were more dangerous. APDS and APCR was limited to 250to 300mm RHA equivalent and HEAT shells were able to penetrate more armor.
And I think CoaDE handles materials quite abstractly. Depending on what goes where in tank armor there are synergystic effects of different armor materials. But modelling those interactions is way beyond our game especially given then amount of impacts that we have.
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Post by nerd1000 on Nov 8, 2016 13:29:29 GMT
Well, silica gel is no longer the strongest thing against laser. Time to search for a new laser armor. I'm having good results with alpha titanium aluminide. It seems to last the longest in my drone swarm versus 5x 1GW green laser dreadnought tests, though those lasers are optimised for a large spot size to melt off aerogel- the aluminide might not fare so well against high intensity lasers. |
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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 8, 2016 15:10:03 GMT
One thing for sure is that armoring turret with silica gel is no longer working.
Even stock laser can shoot them off in no time.
Also the graphite gel filled whipple armor is pretty screwed from laser, though the final boron layer is funny enough the only real laser defense now.
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