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Post by dragonkid11 on Jan 6, 2017 4:45:53 GMT
I think it's the price of cubane that caused it.
CO2 is cheap in game, I think
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Post by Rocket Witch on Jan 6, 2017 14:27:24 GMT
How do cubane NTRs compare to Methane NTRs? In thermal rockets it is very similar to water. Higher thrust, lower velocity, denser. In combustion rockets it's faster than methane, has more thrust than RP-1, and is more dense than water. Pretty amazing. The only drawback is that it burns hotter.
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 6, 2017 16:11:23 GMT
In combustion rockets it's faster than methane, has more thrust than RP-1, and is more dense than water. Pretty amazing. The only drawback is that it burns hotter. So, is LOX-Cubane strictly superior to hydroflourine chemistry?
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Post by Rocket Witch on Jan 6, 2017 16:54:58 GMT
In combustion rockets it's faster than methane, has more thrust than RP-1, and is more dense than water. Pretty amazing. The only drawback is that it burns hotter. So, is LOX-Cubane strictly superior to hydroflourine chemistry? Oh sorry no, I meant compared to LOX-methane, it's worse than fluorine-methane in thrust/velocity. We could always make a fluorine-cubane though...
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Post by someusername6 on Jan 6, 2017 17:25:11 GMT
So, is LOX-Cubane strictly superior to hydroflourine chemistry? Oh sorry no, I meant LOX-methane, it's worse than fluorine-methane in thrust/velocity. We could always make a fluorine-cubane though... We have most of the data already. Any literature evidence on how the reaction goes?
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Post by David367th on Jan 6, 2017 17:47:47 GMT
Oh sorry no, I meant LOX-methane, it's worse than fluorine-methane in thrust/velocity. We could always make a fluorine-cubane though... We have most of the data already. Any literature evidence on how the reaction goes? Yeah that's the problem, most of these reactions don't have data on them, or they're hidden behind peer-reviewed paywalls.
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Post by randomletters on Jan 6, 2017 18:35:34 GMT
Have any paper titles handy? It's usually not too hard to find unsecured copies if you know where to look.
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Post by tessfield on Jan 6, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
coaxjack , dragonkid11 CO2 is 1600kg/m3 dense and 1.48c/kg in price vs cubane which is 1300kg/m3 and 2.68c/kg, so probably something like that. Here's the rest of the things, let me know where the optimization differences lay. EDIT FYI, that railgun sux, I'm no good at designing either railguns or coilguns because my game gets too laggy to enjoy, just tried to mimic coaxjack's drone, I should check what I can do with a conventional cannon instead. Anyone have any extremely small yet efficient & effective weapon? (Is there a word for efficient & effective??)
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Post by David367th on Jan 6, 2017 19:39:46 GMT
coaxjack , dragonkid11 CO2 is 1600kg/m3 dense and 1.48c/kg in price vs cubane which is 1300kg/m3 and 2.68c/kg, so probably something like that. Here's the rest of the things, let me know where the optimization differences lay. EDIT FYI, that railgun sux, I'm no good at designing either railguns or coilguns because my game gets too laggy to enjoy, just tried to mimic coaxjack 's drone, I should check what I can do with a conventional cannon instead. Anyone have any extremely small yet efficient & effective weapon? (Is there a word for efficient & effective??) My 18mm Cannon works pretty well. It only shoots low velocity 1g Osmium, but it can tear off surface components and penetrate some of the stock armors. ConventionalGunModule 18mm Turreted Cannon UsesCustomName false Barrel Composition Diamond Length_m 0.47 Thickness_m 0.0011 Propellant Composition Octogen Mass_kg 0.001 GrainRadius_m 0.00018 Projectile Composition Osmium BoreRadius_m 0.009 Mass_kg 0.001 Tracer Copper Payload null Loader PowerConsumption_W 10 Turret InnerRadius_m 0.0288 ArmorComposition Lithium ArmorThickness_m 0.0001 MomentumWheels Composition Copper RotationalSpeed_RPM 11100 TargetsShips true TargetsShots true
Also I would recommend having a single fuel tank if you can. Cuts down on some of the container's mass and cost.
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Post by coaxjack on Jan 6, 2017 20:53:25 GMT
coaxjack , dragonkid11 CO2 is 1600kg/m3 dense and 1.48c/kg in price vs cubane which is 1300kg/m3 and 2.68c/kg, so probably something like that. Here's the rest of the things, let me know where the optimization differences lay. EDIT FYI, that railgun sux, I'm no good at designing either railguns or coilguns because my game gets too laggy to enjoy, just tried to mimic coaxjack 's drone, I should check what I can do with a conventional cannon instead. Anyone have any extremely small yet efficient & effective weapon? (Is there a word for efficient & effective??) The CO2 copy parts are relatively similar, the difference between the two drones really come down to minute design choices. I spent a few minutes upgrading the reactor and railgun to fit in the same form factor: And the Slugger engine for reference:
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Post by tessfield on Jan 6, 2017 21:35:34 GMT
David367th, good advice. I tried making a good conventional cannon, but it seems at those sizes they're not really doable.
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Post by tessfield on Jan 6, 2017 21:42:16 GMT
Ninja'd I updated to a single tank, though didn't change things much, mostly a performance improvement. I had to use 20 for form factor to fit it though, lol. coaxjack , interesting that you used Titanium Nitride for control rods, what experience have you had with those? What about Ethane for the outer coolant? I thought the only reason not to use Sodium is on the inner loops of reactors for use as a moderator. Is your gun accurate? Mine was not. At all I love how there are so many minute variations that there can take place to make very similar designs DIFFERENT. Beautiful. One thing I did not realize until today is that I don't NEED to use 97% enrichment, lol, I can probably optimize the reactor more by tweaking that down. EDIT David367th, your 18mm sounds too big for these drones, how much does it weigh?
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Post by David367th on Jan 6, 2017 21:51:05 GMT
[...] EDIT David367th , your 18mm sounds too big for these drones, how much does it weigh? 849 grams, half of it is the damn loader lol, the rest is from the 47cm long 1.1mm thick Diamond barrel. Total weight of the drone is 5.25 kg. 1.13kg from pentane, 1.6kg from boolet, 1kg from remote, 120g for NTR, 126g from TFR, 11.8g from Li rad. Rest is from armor, which I don't get a number for. Low delta-v but easily fixed with extra fuel. Micro-drones have absolutely no resistance to lasers however, and they get dunked on by just about anything.
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Post by newageofpower on Jan 6, 2017 22:34:57 GMT
Microdrones are useful if you can get a few hundred/thousand into range, and are cheaper than nukes. However, a nuke or two can pop an entire drone swarm that would be necessary to saturate laser defenses, and they're more expensive than missiles. I'm a bit dubious on their utility, to be honest.
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Post by David367th on Jan 6, 2017 22:40:50 GMT
Microdrones are useful if you can get a few hundred/thousand into range, and are cheaper than nukes. However, a nuke or two can pop an entire drone swarm that would be necessary to saturate laser defenses, and they're more expensive than missiles. I'm a bit dubious on their utility, to be honest. I think they're more like blue lasers, a novelty.
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