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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 1, 2016 23:57:48 GMT
That cold reactor seems to be very inefficient in weight though.
Nearly 70kg for a 50kw reactor is kinda low.
I will try make a design if my own with hopefully lighter weight when I get back home.
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Post by Pttg on Nov 2, 2016 2:09:25 GMT
I really wish I could mark reactors as "shielded" or "unshielded" for use on drones versus manned vessels.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Nov 2, 2016 13:54:41 GMT
Actually, what radiator material works efficiently at lower temperature?
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Post by redparadize on Nov 2, 2016 13:57:02 GMT
I really wish I could mark reactors as "shielded" or "unshielded" for use on drones versus manned vessels. You can make reactor that weight 5kg. I think we can say they are unshielded.
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Post by Rocket Witch on Nov 2, 2016 19:30:38 GMT
That cold reactor seems to be very inefficient in weight though. Nearly 70kg for a 50kw reactor is kinda low. I will try make a design if my own with hopefully lighter weight when I get back home. Certainly is. I just got done working on that now. Currently at just over 11kg and 600cr. I got the outlet temp down to 70K but am now trying to strike a balance between having a large thermocouple with low output and being a radiator porcupine. Presently that's an outlet temp of 250K with an internal temp near lithium's melting point (it's a great control rod material and noticeably lighter than boron on a reactor this small). I changed coolants to ethane inside (allows less depleted uranium mass to be used; which seems to be a legit low temp fuel after all) and oxygen outside (best thermal conductivity below sodium freezing point). Next steps are to be 250-500kW and 1.2-1.5MW. As for radiators, I'm leaning toward magnesium alloys coated with amorphous carbon as a hopeful flash guard but I don't yet know. Gonna try lithium first though; just noticed it has a very high specific heat.
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Post by jonen on Nov 2, 2016 20:02:44 GMT
Wait... Ethane is a gas at 400 K (well, assuming one atmosphere). Oxygen is (again, at one atmosphere) a Gas at 250 K (obviously), and liquid at 51 K... It seems to me that laser - hell, sunlight - striking your reactor radiators would play merry hell on your cooling cycle.
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Post by apophys on Nov 2, 2016 20:48:40 GMT
(allows less depleted uranium mass to be used; which seems to be a legit low temp fuel after all) That has got to be a bug. Changing the enrichment percent for depleted uranium changes the power output, but does absolutely nothing to the mass and cost. (what's being enriched here?) Moreover, using depleted uranium dioxide gives no power at any enrichment level, which I suspect is the correct behavior. U-233 dioxide is the cheapest legit fuel I see. I'm slowly converting all my reactors to it for cost savings. For small reactors, I turn down the enrichment as far as I can, to get even more cost savings.
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Post by redparadize on Nov 2, 2016 21:00:26 GMT
Using oxygen as coolant sound a bit corrosive. We don't have to deal with corrosion so whatever!
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Post by Rocket Witch on Nov 2, 2016 22:15:15 GMT
(allows less depleted uranium mass to be used; which seems to be a legit low temp fuel after all) That has got to be a bug. Changing the enrichment percent for depleted uranium changes the power output, but does absolutely nothing to the mass and cost. (what's being enriched here?) Moreover, using depleted uranium dioxide gives no power at any enrichment level, which I suspect is the correct behavior. U-233 dioxide is the cheapest legit fuel I see. I'm slowly converting all my reactors to it for cost savings. For small reactors, I turn down the enrichment as far as I can, to get even more cost savings. I see. I thought my design might only otherwise work with Am-241 from when I first flicked through fuels, but... jonen Oh dear. I don't expect most reactors in this thread are terribly realistic anyway, though mine may be especially egregious.
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Post by apophys on Nov 2, 2016 23:57:35 GMT
I don't really get the reasoning for using cold reactors. For example, a similar reactor at 2500K can be built (with about half the size): Attachment DeletedSure, your reactor can make use of lithium radiators, which are 1/4 the weight of amorphous carbon. However, mine requires 1760 times less radiator surface area than yours, because hot radiators are far, far more effective than cold ones (see earlier in the thread for more on the topic). Yes, my reactor is completely unshielded, but that's irrelevant, because you probably won't be putting something of this low power level on a crewed ship anyway. And lithium-6 radiation shields exist, along with boron crew modules. Code: ThermoelectricFissionReactorModule 101 kW Thermoelectric Fission Reactor ReactorCoreDimensions_m 0.1 0.1 NuclearReactor Coolant Ethane Moderator Boron Nitride ModeratorMass_kg 0 Fuel U-233 Dioxide FuelMass_kg 1 FuelEnrichment_Percent 0.0072 ControlRodComposition Boron Nitride ControlRodMass_kg 1 NeutronReflector Diamond ReflectorThickness_m 0 AverageNeutronFlux__m2_s 2.9e+019 InnerTurbopump Composition Amorphous Carbon PumpRadius_m 0.06 RotationalSpeed_RPM 300 ThermocoupleInnerDimensions_m 0.1 0.1 Thermocouple PTypeComposition Tungsten NTypeComposition Tantalum Length_m 0.001 ThermocoupleExitTemperature_K 2500 OuterCoolant Sodium OuterTurbopump Composition Lithium PumpRadius_m 0.01 RotationalSpeed_RPM 64
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Post by Rocket Witch on Nov 3, 2016 0:13:53 GMT
I don't really get the reasoning for using cold reactors. It's just trying something different to explore the implications and find out if it's worth anything. Apart from simply being curious about whether I could make such a module, and enjoying doing weird things that don't follow the meta, the idea came from having a ship loaded with thousands of tiny but long-burning flares (since they only need to be like 1.5MW) to defeat EFP and KKV spam.
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Post by reviire on Nov 3, 2016 10:33:48 GMT
My first attempt at a nuclear reactor, do you think this is any good? Some of the reactors other people have been talking about sound amazing. So, I'm going to attempt to make one until I eventually succeed. EDIT: It seems pretty terrible, comparing it to a stock reactor. puu.sh/s4ZBq.jpg
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Post by tuna on Nov 3, 2016 11:57:04 GMT
My first attempt at a nuclear reactor, do you think this is any good? Some of the reactors other people have been talking about sound amazing. So, I'm going to attempt to make one until I eventually succeed. EDIT: It seems pretty terrible, comparing it to a stock reactor. The primary problem is that your secondary cooling loop is really anemic, and you are making up the difference by using a gigantic thermocouple. This is a problem because Tantalum and Tungsten are really expensive compared to the cost of a better cooling loop. Keeping the actual reactor core the same, I'd cut the thermocouple down to r:2.5 h:5.6, then fix up the heat problems by switching outer coolant to sodium and tweaking the outer pump until the core won't melt.
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Post by apophys on Nov 3, 2016 12:28:48 GMT
1. HD and any type of water are horrible coolants. That is your main problem, because it forces you to greatly oversize your thermocouple and pumps. For the outer coolant use sodium, and for the inner coolant you can pick sodium or ethane (for 100 MW I'd use sodium; if you pick it, you may need some moderator).
2. RE: inner turbo - Amorphous carbon is lighter than diamond, and it can still take that kind of stress.
3. If your reactor is shielded, making the core bigger than it needs to be adds unnecessary mass.
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Post by Pttg on Nov 3, 2016 16:37:13 GMT
I made the minifrige somewhat cheaper: It's scalable, too. Increase the neutron flux and the thermocouple height to account for the increased pressure and you can get maybe annother hundred kW out of it. What's the cheapest 100kW+ reactor someone's gotten yet?
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