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Post by dragonkid11 on Dec 6, 2016 2:28:06 GMT
They barely cost anything too! Lol... My carrier drones all weigh 455t and have 7.6 km/s Well my micro gundrone carrier drone weigh around 1 ton each and I carried 120 of them in my crewed carrier. I also made a drone version of my carrier to carry the drone carrier drone to carry the micro gundrone with a massive drone carrier to carry all the drones. DRONE-CEPTION!!! |
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Post by jasonvance on Dec 6, 2016 5:03:04 GMT
And then the third one is reduced further for the next viable radiator, magnesium radiator which is as light as reinforced carbon carbon but WAY cheaper at only some 50 mc. However, it has a melting point of around 900K. Try Calcium radiators instead of magnesium they are a bit lighter (1600 vs 1700) than magnesium and have a higher 1,115K melting point (vs 921). I use them for my lasers (they are also super cheap material wise at 5.86 c/kg really helps the laser drone cost) |
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Post by jasonvance on Dec 6, 2016 6:52:22 GMT
I gave your 250W design a quick rework for calcium radiators and the result was pretty good. Reactor:  With Radiator:  |
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Post by jasonvance on Dec 6, 2016 7:49:57 GMT
Got 2 more grams off by lowering the outlet to 871K and shaving some extra mass off things (most notably the control rod) Combined:  Reactor:  |
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Post by dragonkid11 on Dec 6, 2016 10:32:54 GMT
So smoll, so tiny.
Of course, it probably useless for anything except super micro thingie but thanks!
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Post by goduranus on Dec 6, 2016 10:48:08 GMT
I just made a similar one for for drones that has only a projectile cannon.
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Post by jasonvance on Dec 6, 2016 14:36:04 GMT
Thought I would just pop down my notes on radiators. I looked through all the materials and these should be the most efficient for any outlet in order of mass. Reinforced Carbon Carbon is the only one off in terms of cost so boron might be a better choice in that bracket if costs are a problem. So if you are building something like a weapon that has a specific outlet temp (like lasers) the right radiator for you should lie on here somewhere. If you find any errors with this or a better material please let me know.  Lithium: 0K - 452k (59.1 tons / 100,000m^2 239,000c / 100,000m^2) Calcium: 425k - 1110k (172 tons / 100,000m^2 1,000,000c / 100,000m^2) RCC: 1110k-2270k (194 tons / 100,000m^2 14,700,000c / 100,000m^2) Boron: 2270k - 2348k (230 tons / 100,000m^2 4,000,000c / 100,000m^2) Amorphus Carbon: 2348k - 3913k (233 tons / 100,000m^2 5,200,000c / 100,000m^2) Pyrolitic Carbon: 3913-3920k (249 tons / 100,000m^2 5,580,000c / 100,000m^2) Halfnium Carbide 3920k - 4158k (1,410 tons / 100,000m^2 86,800,000c / 100,000m^2) Tantalum Halfnium Carbide: 4158k-4486k (1,620 tons / 100,000m^2 282,000,000 / 100,000m^2) |
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Post by newageofpower on Dec 6, 2016 16:22:10 GMT
Yesss now to build a 4400k reactor... Oh wait.
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Post by jasonvance on Dec 6, 2016 16:33:39 GMT
Yesss now to build a 4400k reactor... Oh wait. There are actually modules, like launchers, you can build to outlet at 4400k (not very practical but they are pretty lol)  |
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Post by Pttg on Dec 6, 2016 17:53:30 GMT
That's a nice lightsaber you've got there.
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Post by kjakker on Dec 14, 2016 2:28:29 GMT
A couple more large reactors.   |
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Post by newageofpower on Dec 14, 2016 6:08:31 GMT
A couple more large reactors. Have you tried building ships with your reactors? I suspect not.
The problem with your reactor designs are as follows: 1. 5.4 & 60.5 kilotons Holy fuck those reactors weigh an insane amount. The dry weight of an entire squadron of my ships doesn't reach 60kt! 2. Output temperature at 1000k Someone would need megatons of radiators, even paper-thin radiators, just to radiate all that heat away. I don't even know how you would mount so many radiators on any practical design. WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?!?!3. Cost = 25.2 & 169 MC That's just ludicrous. I don't know what else to say. Conclusion: I don't know how to say this in a nice way, so I'm going to tell you straight - your reactors are not even mediocre, they're awful. When the stock reactors are plain better than your designs, you know you're doing it wrong. Use 5+ Apophys 25GW if you need a fuckload of power. Much more efficient, power/weight/cost wise. And that's not even counting the saved radiator cost/mass. If you want to be a hipster and can't use apophys designs, my Maxima series of reactors have received the Apophys Seal of ApprovalThose are excellent reactors. and are approaching practical power/weight limits. |
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Post by kjakker on Dec 14, 2016 17:12:43 GMT
Have you tried building ships with your reactors? I suspect not.... ...Conclusion: I don't know how to say this in a nice way, so I'm going to tell you straight - your reactors are not even mediocre, they're awful. When the stock reactors are plain better than your designs, you know you're doing it wrong. Use 5+ Apophys 25GW if you need a fuckload of power. Much more efficient, power/weight/cost wise. And that's not even counting the saved radiator cost/mass. If you want to be a hipster and can't use apophys designs, my Maxima series of reactors have received the Apophys Seal of ApprovalMy only intention with these two reactors was to make ones with lower mass, lower cost, and more power output than the one apophys posted back on page 16 of this thread. The reactor in that post has the following power, mass, and cost. Power: 40.1 GW, Mass: 75.0 kt, Cost: 207 Mc. Let's compare it to the reactors I posted above. Power: 52.9 GW, Mass: 5.44 kt, Cost: 25.2 Mc Power: 70.9 GW, Mass: 60.5 kt, Cost: 169 Mc As such I achieved the limited goals I was aiming for. Still thank you for taking the time to do a critical analysis. |
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Post by ash19256 on Dec 14, 2016 18:08:16 GMT
Have you tried building ships with your reactors? I suspect not.... ...Conclusion: I don't know how to say this in a nice way, so I'm going to tell you straight - your reactors are not even mediocre, they're awful. When the stock reactors are plain better than your designs, you know you're doing it wrong. Use 5+ Apophys 25GW if you need a fuckload of power. Much more efficient, power/weight/cost wise. And that's not even counting the saved radiator cost/mass. If you want to be a hipster and can't use apophys designs, my Maxima series of reactors have received the Apophys Seal of ApprovalMy only intention with these two reactors was to make ones with lower mass, lower cost, and more power output than the one apophys posted back on page 16 of this thread. The reactor in that post has the following power, mass, and cost. Power: 40.1 GW, Mass: 75.0 kt, Cost: 207 Mc. Let's compare it to the reactors I posted above. Power: 52.9 GW, Mass: 5.44 kt, Cost: 25.2 Mc Power: 70.9 GW, Mass: 60.5 kt, Cost: 169 Mc As such I achieved the limited goals I was aiming for. Still thank you for taking the time to do a critical analysis. Did you include the increased mass in radiators (assuming the use of minimum weight Amorphous Carbon radiators) that comes from dropping the outlet temperature to 1000 Kelvin from the 2400+ Kelvin that is so common in everyone else's reactors? Because if you didn't, you should check and see if the decreased radiator efficiency of your designs makes them ultimately less effective than the reactor apophys created in terms of weight and cost. |
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Post by kjakker on Dec 15, 2016 0:48:17 GMT
Did you include the increased mass in radiators (assuming the use of minimum weight Amorphous Carbon radiators) that comes from dropping the outlet temperature to 1000 Kelvin from the 2400+ Kelvin that is so common in everyone else's reactors? Because if you didn't, you should check and see if the decreased radiator efficiency of your designs makes them ultimately less effective than the reactor apophys created in terms of weight and cost. Okay, I see what you mean with regard to radiator mass. I did manage to modify the heavier reactor into a slightly better version of the 40.1 GW design.  |
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Lol... My carrier drones all weigh 455t and have 7.6 km/s
