|
Post by jonen on Nov 17, 2016 16:33:13 GMT
My impression is shielding appears easy only because the only simulated sources of radiation are man made.
|
|
|
Post by bluuetechnic on Nov 17, 2016 19:43:32 GMT
Does anyone have any good 100 MW designs? Reactors aren't exactly my area of expertise, and I can't find any here. Preferably as cheap as possible, size doesn't matter to me as much.
|
|
|
Post by Durandal on Nov 17, 2016 19:46:52 GMT
Does anyone have any good 100 MW designs? Reactors aren't exactly my area of expertise, and I can't find any here. Preferably as cheap as possible, size doesn't matter to me as much. I have a 150 MW design that might be able to be scaled down. I can post it tonight.
|
|
|
Post by bluuetechnic on Nov 17, 2016 19:48:19 GMT
That would be great. Thx man!
|
|
|
Post by bigbombr on Nov 17, 2016 22:29:52 GMT
Does anyone have any good 100 MW designs? Reactors aren't exactly my area of expertise, and I can't find any here. Preferably as cheap as possible, size doesn't matter to me as much. Check the 'UNLIMITED POWER' thread.
|
|
|
Post by jonen on Nov 17, 2016 22:31:14 GMT
Check the 'UNLIMITED POWER' thread. This... Is the UNLIMITED POWER thread...
|
|
|
Post by apophys on Nov 17, 2016 22:34:30 GMT
A bit of quick research on the topic of space radiation shielding... Estimates are that humans unshielded in interplanetary space would receive annually roughly 400 to 900 mSv (compared to 2.4 mSv on Earth) [...]. These doses approach the 1 to 4 Sv career limits it turns out that low energy protons cause more damage than high energy ones Galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) consist of high energy protons (85%), helium (14%) and other high energy nuclei (HZE ions). Apparently, it's not an issue for the timescales that our missions are dealing with, and most of the problem is eliminated anyway if we successfully shield against protons and alpha particles, both of which are lightweight and positively charged. There's work being done on magnetic shielding to deflect incoming particles, and that seems like the best long-term solution (only ~10kW power draw), but it isn't currently accepted tech yet. It's a bit heavy, though. Proton radiation increases greatly during coronal mass ejections from the sun, so they definitely should be blocked. High-Z (HZE) ions come from outside the solar system and are a pain in the ass no matter what you do, since you would really need to block them with heavy nuclei, but that results in secondary radiation guaranteed, and heavy nuclei add enormous mass. The best current-tech solution appears to be to more or less ignore HZE ions and block everything else to compensate. So, what is desired in shielding is lots of atoms in a small space, to block/bounce particles with a wall of nuclei. Light nuclei are preferred, to reduce secondary radiation and induced radioactivity. That basically means the current in-game paradigm for neutrons (lithium-6 + boron) should do wonderfully. Hydrogen-rich stuff (plastic, water, LH2, bags of human waste) is mentioned a lot as shielding, so embedding the crew in propellant like decane would be excellent for cutting cost. As time passes and propellant is used, human waste is created, so late-mission shielding is not compromised horribly. TL;DR: With smart engineering, space radiation isn't a big problem.
|
|
|
Post by apophys on Nov 17, 2016 22:54:36 GMT
Does anyone have any good 100 MW designs? Reactors aren't exactly my area of expertise, and I can't find any here. Preferably as cheap as possible, size doesn't matter to me as much. Here you go. It's optimized in v1.0.6, but probably won't need much change to optimize for 1.0.7 1.92 tons, 56.5 kc Associated radiators are minimum 0.744 tons, 16.64 kc ThermoelectricFissionReactorModule 101 MW Thermoelectric Fission Reactor ReactorCoreDimensions_m 0.1 0.1 NuclearReactor Coolant Sodium Moderator Diamond ModeratorMass_kg 7 Fuel U-233 Dioxide FuelMass_kg 2 FuelEnrichment_Percent 0.47 ControlRodComposition Boron Nitride ControlRodMass_kg 2 NeutronReflector Diamond ReflectorThickness_m 0.47 AverageNeutronFlux__m2_s 2.2e+020 InnerTurbopump Composition Amorphous Carbon PumpRadius_m 0.45 RotationalSpeed_RPM 600 ThermocoupleInnerDimensions_m 1 3.2 Thermocouple PTypeComposition Tungsten NTypeComposition Tantalum Length_m 0.001 ThermocoupleExitTemperature_K 2500 OuterCoolant Sodium OuterTurbopump Composition Calcium PumpRadius_m 0.2 RotationalSpeed_RPM 610
|
|
|
Post by bluuetechnic on Nov 17, 2016 23:00:51 GMT
Does anyone have any good 100 MW designs? Reactors aren't exactly my area of expertise, and I can't find any here. Preferably as cheap as possible, size doesn't matter to me as much. Here you go. It's optimized in v1.0.6, but probably won't need much change to optimize for 1.0.7 1.92 tons, 56.5 kc ThermoelectricFissionReactorModule 101 MW Thermoelectric Fission Reactor ReactorCoreDimensions_m 0.1 0.1 NuclearReactor Coolant Sodium Moderator Diamond ModeratorMass_kg 7 Fuel U-233 Dioxide FuelMass_kg 2 FuelEnrichment_Percent 0.47 ControlRodComposition Boron Nitride ControlRodMass_kg 2 NeutronReflector Diamond ReflectorThickness_m 0.47 AverageNeutronFlux__m2_s 2.2e+020 InnerTurbopump Composition Amorphous Carbon PumpRadius_m 0.45 RotationalSpeed_RPM 600 ThermocoupleInnerDimensions_m 1 3.2 Thermocouple PTypeComposition Tungsten NTypeComposition Tantalum Length_m 0.001 ThermocoupleExitTemperature_K 2500 OuterCoolant Sodium OuterTurbopump Composition Calcium PumpRadius_m 0.2 RotationalSpeed_RPM 610
Nice, thanks man. I'm actually pretty surprised that I didn't find anything else in this power range, but I suppose everyone was focusing on optimizing either the biggest or smallest reactors available, and nothing in the middle.
|
|
|
Post by teeth on Nov 18, 2016 1:32:54 GMT
When you increase the speed of your turbopump, the weight increases too. Eventually it increases exponentially to the point that it is far more efficient to run it slower but make it bigger. Does anyone know the exact optimal speed? By eyeballing it I think it's 640 rpm. The RPMs in this thread are all over the place, I see a lot of designs that could be improved by increasing the rpm and dropping the size or vise versa.
|
|
|
Post by apophys on Nov 18, 2016 2:04:53 GMT
The optimal RPM differs a bit depending on the amount of heat that needs to be shifted and the density & yield strength of the turbo, probably also fluid viscosity, but 450-600 is generally the right ballpark.
This applies to all turbos anywhere in the game.
|
|
|
Post by jasonvance on Nov 18, 2016 22:09:54 GMT
I built a pretty neat reactor I thought I would share here as well feel free to tinker with it and let me know if you can improve upon it or have a more efficient design. It allows for 1GW in 19.5 tons including radiators (in an array of reactors to keep it scale-able). I posted it to reddit already but then found out about this official forum (just started playing a few days ago and have been having a blast so kudos to the dev(s) if they read this). I didn't put any radiation shielding on it to keep the mass down for use on drones but could add that in pretty easily or just use external shields. Reactor specs: 143kg, 10.9kc, 14.1MW power, 2200k outlet Spoiler: Reactor spec images
|
|
|
Post by apophys on Nov 19, 2016 1:53:50 GMT
As a comparison, my single 1GW reactor (at 2500K) masses 15.6t alone, or 23.25t if you include minimal radiators. (If you use armored or redundant radiators, higher temperatures come out ahead. Small radiator area has its own value as well.) That's a nice reactor you have there. A bit expensive, though - you can cut a lot of cost by switching fuel to U-233 dioxide, and you should be able to save more cost by buffing neutron flux, reducing fuel, and adding a little diamond moderator when the reactor lifetime starts to be an issue. Also, welcome to the forum!
|
|
|
Post by someusername6 on Nov 19, 2016 2:09:35 GMT
Maybe we have been doing it all wrong working at 2500 K and should instead have all reactors at 2200 K with Boron radiators instead.
|
|
|
Post by apophys on Nov 19, 2016 2:23:40 GMT
There's a thread in the general discussion forum about reactor temperature: childrenofadeadearth.boards.net/thread/457/hot-run-reactor-ugly-mathematicsTL;DR: Actual optimum appears to be 2300K for minimal radiators, but anything from around 2100-2500K is good. (I'm probably going to go to 2400K with my future reactors, btw.) Boron radiators at 2200K would be extremely weak to lasers and nukes.
|
|