CTD when firing payloads with railguns

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CTD when firing payloads with railguns Nov 27, 2016 16:06:31 GMT leerooooooy and someusername6 like this

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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 27, 2016 16:06:31 GMT

I'm experiencing occasional crashes when firing ultra thin payloads with railguns.
The gun from the latest crash is this one:

RailgunModule RgP 50MW 200mg Long
UsesCustomName true
PowerConsumption_W 5e+007
Rails
Composition Zirconium Copper
Thickness_m 0.42
Length_m 8
BarrelArmorThickness_m 0
Armature
Composition Osmium
BoreRadius_m 0.00288
Mass_kg 0.001
Tracer null
Payload RgP 200mg 50cm
Loader
PowerConsumption_W 10
Turret
InnerRadius_m 1.1
ArmorComposition Boron Nitride
ArmorThickness_m 0.1
MomentumWheels
Composition Vanadium Chromium Steel
RotationalSpeed_RPM 870
TargetsShips true
TargetsShots true

but it happens with all other similar railguns too. From Durandal's comments here I understand that the others are encountering the same crash too.

Edit: forgot the payload

ExplosiveModule 200mg Rod OC 50cm

UsesCustomName true

Length_m 0.5

ExplosiveMass_kg 0.0001

ExplosiveComposition Octogen

ShrapnelMass_kg 0.0001

ShrapnelComposition Iridium

Detonator

HardRange_km 1

ActivationRange_km 1

MinimumRange_km 0

TargetsShips true

TargetsShots true

CraftBlueprint RgP 200mg 50cm

Modules

200mg Rod OC 50cm 1 0 null 0

Armor

Last Edit: Nov 27, 2016 16:23:45 GMT by concretedonkey

newageofpower God Commencing Orbital Battleship Manouvers, standby Posts: 1,173	CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 10, 2016 17:07:03 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by newageofpower on Dec 10, 2016 17:07:03 GMT @qswitched I experience similar issues as well.
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CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 11, 2016 5:42:08 GMT

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Post by qswitched on Dec 11, 2016 5:42:08 GMT

Can anyone post a crash log? I've put your weapon in the game and tested it against several targets and been unable to reproduce the crash. Additionally, more info about the scenario(s) in which it crashes would be helpful.

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CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 11, 2016 8:34:44 GMT leerooooooy likes this

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Post by concretedonkey on Dec 11, 2016 8:34:44 GMT

Dec 11, 2016 5:42:08 GMT qswitched said:

Can anyone post a crash log? I've put your weapon in the game and tested it against several targets and been unable to reproduce the crash. Additionally, more info about the scenario(s) in which it crashes would be helpful.

I have a crash log in the first post. Other than that the only thing more concrete that I can tell you is that it seems that the more fragments the frag bomb has the higher the chance to crash. Initially I was using materials which generated a lot of schrapnel like irridium, iron , nickel and osmium and the crashes were more frequent. Later switched to boron and magnesium the crashes almost dissapeared. At the end tested it with pottasium and for the moment wasn't able to reproduce a crash with it.

I'll try to run some additional tests to narrow it down more.

Edit:
Switched back to iridium to increase the crashes... still doesn't happen very often. I'm adding another crash log.
I had two ships with guns like those firing on a fleet of stock ships. Managed to destroy half the fleet before I got a crash.

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Last Edit: Dec 11, 2016 10:05:41 GMT by concretedonkey

qswitched Administrator Posts: 378	CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 12, 2016 0:34:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by qswitched on Dec 12, 2016 0:34:53 GMT Ah, I'd already fixed that crash. Didn't realize the crash log was related to this post. Thanks! It'll be fixed in the next patch.

concretedonkey Senior Member Optimizing a placeholder Posts: 396	CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 12, 2016 4:51:08 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by concretedonkey on Dec 12, 2016 4:51:08 GMT Dec 12, 2016 0:34:53 GMT qswitched said: Ah, I'd already fixed that crash. Didn't realize the crash log was related to this post. Thanks! It'll be fixed in the next patch. Perfect. Thank you !

newageofpower God Commencing Orbital Battleship Manouvers, standby Posts: 1,173	CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 18, 2016 6:29:13 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by newageofpower on Dec 18, 2016 6:29:13 GMT concretedonkey still getting ludicrous lag from 653 osmium fragment impacts. Let me know if you can achieve high damage needleguns without the extreme lag.
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CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 18, 2016 9:17:02 GMT

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Dec 18, 2016 6:29:13 GMT newageofpower said:

concretedonkey still getting ludicrous lag from 653 osmium fragment impacts. Let me know if you can achieve high damage needleguns without the extreme lag.

I use a lot less fragments and the minimum rate of fire possible.

newageofpower God Commencing Orbital Battleship Manouvers, standby Posts: 1,173	CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 18, 2016 17:09:42 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by newageofpower on Dec 18, 2016 17:09:42 GMT Dec 18, 2016 9:17:02 GMT concretedonkey said: I use a lot less fragments and the minimum rate of fire possible. Psst. That was a (poor, I guess) hint to PM me your latest needle designs.
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CTD when firing payloads with railguns Dec 18, 2016 17:49:42 GMT

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Dec 18, 2016 17:09:42 GMT newageofpower said:

Dec 18, 2016 9:17:02 GMT concretedonkey said:

I use a lot less fragments and the minimum rate of fire possible.

Psst. That was a (poor, I guess) hint to PM me your latest needle designs.

Thing is, there isn't much to show really, I haven't played for a few days before the update, and after that I'm frantically experimenting with drop tanks on small missiles and lasers. Before the patch I settled on three setups , one iridium one boron and one pottasium. They look like this :

ExplosiveModule 200mg Rod OC 50cm BO

UsesCustomName true

Length_m 0.5

ExplosiveMass_kg 0.0001

ExplosiveComposition Octogen

ShrapnelMass_kg 0.0001

ShrapnelComposition Boron

Detonator

HardRange_km 0

ActivationRange_km 0

MinimumRange_km 0

OverrideTimer_s 0

TargetsShips true

TargetsShots true

ExplosiveModule 200mg Rod OC 50cm PO

UsesCustomName true

Length_m 0.5

ExplosiveMass_kg 0.0001

ExplosiveComposition Octogen

ShrapnelMass_kg 0.0001

ShrapnelComposition Potassium

Detonator

HardRange_km 1

ActivationRange_km 1

MinimumRange_km 0

OverrideTimer_s 0

TargetsShips true

TargetsShots true

ExplosiveModule 200mg Rod OC 50cm Ir

UsesCustomName true

Length_m 0.5

ExplosiveMass_kg 0.0001

ExplosiveComposition Octogen

ShrapnelMass_kg 0.0001

ShrapnelComposition Iridium

Detonator

HardRange_km 1

ActivationRange_km 1

MinimumRange_km 0

OverrideTimer_s 0

TargetsShips true

TargetsShots true

As for the effectiveness, this kind of relative, isn't it ? Those needles are not going to get you penatration against multiple meters of anything but against relatively thin armor they are a killer. Also this is strictly secondary weapon for me , usually I'm punching hard with missiles before tactical range. I'm a strict believer in having a lot of options and there is hardly anything more multipurpose than a very fast railgun.

newageofpower God Commencing Orbital Battleship Manouvers, standby Posts: 1,173	CTD when firing payloads with railguns Jan 3, 2017 22:09:16 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by newageofpower on Jan 3, 2017 22:09:16 GMT qswitched Had another crash from osmium-needle railguns today, supposedly after crash is fixed. However, my last crashlog was December 21st. Is there a limit on crashlog backlog?
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Post by concretedonkey on Nov 27, 2016 16:06:31 GMT

Post by newageofpower on Dec 10, 2016 17:07:03 GMT

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Post by concretedonkey on Dec 11, 2016 8:34:44 GMT

Post by qswitched on Dec 12, 2016 0:34:53 GMT

Post by concretedonkey on Dec 12, 2016 4:51:08 GMT

Post by newageofpower on Dec 18, 2016 6:29:13 GMT

Post by concretedonkey on Dec 18, 2016 9:17:02 GMT

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Post by concretedonkey on Dec 18, 2016 17:49:42 GMT

Post by newageofpower on Jan 3, 2017 22:09:16 GMT