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Post by redparadize on Oct 21, 2016 2:54:49 GMT
Yeah, it would be interesting to see a performance oriented challenge. Will see how it goes after this one.
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Post by magusunion on Oct 21, 2016 3:13:20 GMT
Been a lurker on these forums ever since I got this game (already 21 hours in over the span of 4 days, lol) Edit: I've decided to remove this ship from challenge submission and use the vessels described in this post below.
Apologies for the inconvenience... I created a quick ship for this challenge, the "El Cheapo Lasero": A remodified default Laser Frigate to fit within the contest rules.
Just under 100 Mc and uses Silica Aerogel and Reinforced Carbon for armor. Only flaw I see is that it has a 30-50 km engagement range.
tell me what you think!!
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Post by redparadize on Oct 21, 2016 3:29:34 GMT
Welcome in!
I didn't get to test most of my stuff against laser that strong! It would be good if you would post your weapon description.
I will be posting my own design soon. And then I will allow myself to comment more.
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Post by ross128 on Oct 21, 2016 3:50:53 GMT
I've been working on streamlining a lot of my existing fleet, mostly by converting it to Methane (from Hydrogen Deuteride) to get fuel and armor costs down. I've managed to trim my Missile Support Ship down to 1.75kt and 18.6Mc. It still has 12,000 missiles. Its cross-section is all of 585m^2, it's adorable and covered in tiny radiators for its missile launchers.
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Post by redparadize on Oct 21, 2016 3:52:53 GMT
In many case, I still prefer Hydrogen Deuteride. It is lighter, so for sub munition the weight saving is worth it.
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Post by ross128 on Oct 21, 2016 4:06:15 GMT
Well, a 1kt tank is a 1kt tank, they weigh the same. But 1kt of Methane takes up much less volume than 1kt of HD.
HD's high exhaust velocity means it can get more dV out of that 1kt (and all of the methane conversions I have generally do get a bit less dV in total), but on a warship the reduction in volume translates into weight and cost savings. The cost savings in this case were obviously the goal up-front, and the weight savings give me back most of the dV that I sacrificed with the lower exhaust velocity.
I converted the drones to methane for a similar reason, most of their cost is fuel and methane's cheaper, and I wanted to squeeze their volume down so they wouldn't take up so much space in the ships. The drones definitely took quite a hit to their dV though, because trimming their waistline didn't save nearly as much weight (especially since they're generally armored with silica aerogel and the tears of Titanian orphans). My micromissiles run on F/H chemical rockets though, which with the 19:1 mixing ratio that fuel has means they might as well be running on pure fluorine.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Oct 21, 2016 4:11:37 GMT
Yes, my fleet would be perfect for this challenge due to how dirt cheap I made them to be!!!
...Except they all use broken weapons.
I will make unbroken design for this challenge and see what will come out of it.
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Post by ross128 on Oct 21, 2016 4:19:36 GMT
My sandblaster railguns are only mildly broken. Though I probably could get away with simply not using EM weapons at all, since my primary armament is very much missiles, and my drones can get away with using conventional guns.
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Post by magusunion on Oct 21, 2016 4:21:13 GMT
The Laser is stock from the game. Didn't really alter it at all. Coil Gun is custom, I've included a shot of it in this post. It's mostly to help with whatever harassing drones that cross into your line of fire, as well as add to fire support on the overall hull. I may try it against a more suitable drone support craft, and submit it if it's superior.
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Post by redparadize on Oct 21, 2016 4:22:52 GMT
You should try optimize the reaction wheels. As they are its 99% of your gun mass!
Damn, another hours and I would probably be done, and I am working tomorrow at 8. Oh well... Gonna have to wait.
Glad that many seem to be interested, I can't wait to play multiplayer... This kind of challenge could keep me interested in this game for a bit.
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Post by magusunion on Oct 21, 2016 4:36:17 GMT
Good point. I think I need to switch the material for Steel or something of higher density. I'll play with it in a few. EDIT:Wow, the different material makes! I changed my Reaction wheel material to Tungsten Carbide. This let me drop the huge wheel of "cheap" aluminum down to a reasonable size. For the benefit of the ship, I also reduced the overall price, and was able to add 4 additional guns to the setup. Course, I had to re-manipulate the armor a bit to fit budget, but I believe that also came out to be an improvement compared to my first go with this vessel, lol.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Oct 21, 2016 5:11:30 GMT
Huh, two fleet submitted and both contains only one ships?
I guess I generally prefer super light weight destroyers or carriers.
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Post by ross128 on Oct 21, 2016 5:50:08 GMT
I am thinking I probably shouldn't post my fleet too early. It might result in people building specifically to beat it.
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Post by argonbalt on Oct 21, 2016 6:25:24 GMT
I like the 100 Mc limit, but i do think a hard 20 kt on fleet size would be nice for limiting factors, mainly because i have based allot of my ship design on such principles, this shows up in campaign as well.
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Post by magusunion on Oct 21, 2016 7:28:11 GMT
So after field testing, I've found out that "El Budget Lasero" is basically "El Crapio No bueno", because it is out ranged by a various assortment of vessels, as well as has terrible weak points in terms of taking enemy fire. So I've re-modified my submission for two of these: Light Force ProjectorsA refit of the stock Missile Schooner. Carries 200 stock Flak Missiles, 200 Striker Nuclear Missiles, and 8 coil guns for primary defense against drones that may intercept into your capital fleet. Using the "phased bombardment" technique, I was able to easily kill vessels twice the ships weight class, and maneuver around enemy drone fleets with my delta-V. Course, they usually take heavy losses in a ship-on-ship engagement. But since this challenge was more about cost effectiveness than actual combat, I decided a force projection vessel would be better overall.
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