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Post by argonbalt on Feb 14, 2017 17:15:07 GMT
No we're not censoring, that can't happen on a public forum. We need clear and concise rules and punishments. Censoring people we don't like won't be the best start, even if we have already see it happen. It should be a generic three warnings then muted for a time. It works on other boards, we don't need anything fancy here. Edit: Though I agree with deltav , where a "Space Court" would look only like People's Court and be a show. |
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Post by David367th on Feb 14, 2017 17:21:10 GMT
No we're not censoring, that can't happen on a public forum. We need clear and concise rules and punishments. Censoring people we don't like won't be the best start, even if we have already see it happen. It should be a generic three warnings then muted for a time. It works on other boards, we don't need anything fancy here. Edit: Though I agree with deltav , where a "Space Court" would look only like People's Court and be a show. That's exactly what I'm afraid it will turn into. deltav while you can't be quoted for any insults, the way you've responded to others' actions can hardly be described as nice. Telling others you disagree with to get a life, telling argonbalt to do his job on his first day, and so forth. Nevermind, I can actually quote you for that now. Because it is a court in space, what a phenomenally entertaining idea, it should be emphasised. Also mainly to highlight it in quick reply mode. You are not qualified to be Moderator. 1. You are good friends with ONE of the members but not the other. 2. One of the members in this dispute has repeatedly recommended you to be Moderator. 3. You are not taking any of this seriously. 4. You are refusing to enforced the rules created by Qswitched just today. One of the members has clearly been "a dick", and yet you blame both members, and even worse you give that member who has been "a dick" special requests, like a special thread just for him to use to bash and attack the member he has been attacking all along. 1. No, if anything he's more bipartisan than I am. 2. Neither of you have had anything good to say towards argonbalt becoming moderator, which would seem like a good thing. 3. Rather true actually. 4. No one has broken any rules that qswitched has set today. And if anything you and newageofpower have been warned for breaking the rules. 5. Newage had not received any special requests. Edit Part 2: Deltav can't be quoted for insults because he deletes them. |
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Post by argonbalt on Feb 14, 2017 17:27:02 GMT
1. You are good friends with ONE of the members but not the other.
A) I have openly argued with Newageofpower several times, i recall specifically on ideal government
2. One of the members in this dispute has repeatedly recommended you to be Moderator.
B) Really cause i got the offer from Qswitched out of the blue and accepted on the grounds of hopefully improving this forum.
3. You are not taking any of this seriously.
C)You are right i forgot this was a murder suicide case and not an argument on a space sim forum.
4. You are refusing to enforced the rules created by Qswitched just today.
D) As mentioned above i have fully implemented a strike(1 of 3) on his account and warned him against using further aggravating language.
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Post by David367th on Feb 14, 2017 17:47:05 GMT
David367th Again, I've created 3 threads with hundreds of comments, each with a poll right at the top. Obviously I love people who disagree with me. A blind man can see that I've had hundreds of arguments with dozens of members on this board about COADE. I love to debate about COADE and space combat. That is not the issue. The issue is one member NAOP being a bully and an overall rude person against me. I've had lot's of debates, but no one else made it personal. I joined only a month ago, and since I joined I've been hounded by NAOP with personal attacks. He's called me a "troll", a "retard" a "mouthbreather" and so on. The only one I told to get "a life" is NAOP and whoever supports his behavior and that was ONCE. (And I deleted the comment almost right after.) It's totally inappropriate that you create a clear distortion as if I told someone to "get a life" because of some matter dealing with COADE. I told NAOP to "get a life" (and that's some darn tame language), only in response to being called a mouthbreather and personally attacked. Surely you see that. Although the thread with the evidence in a nice neat pile had been removed *squints at argonbalt *, from what I've seen you could be described as walking a fine line of don't be a dick. The rule should be applied to everyone and just because one person is one doesn't mean people should be one in return. You've had some history with spamming and trolling. You've constantly repeated yourself that you felt that you were entitled to apologies, especially from people who have only disagreed with you. Plus your altercation between yourself and newageofpower was not a one time event, surely you must have been instigating such harsh reactions so often from people that are otherwise calm and polite to others. Other than those two small infractions, you're right you haven't been causing all too much trouble. I'm not a mod or an admin so if you were to receive any punishment would be up to qswitched and argonbalt, not myself. So these are just my opinions on the issues, they could very well be wrong. |
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Post by theholyinquisition on Feb 14, 2017 18:51:25 GMT
I'm done with this, if you guys really want to have some kind of court I don't see the point. All I want to talk about is COADE, and that is what I will do from now on. My Mom really gave the best advice, "Ignore bullies, and if you have to tell the teacher." Since there is no teacher, I should have just ignored the bullies. I'm done with this (for real this time). This is the most ridiculous display I have ever been a part of. I don't recognize the power of the Court nor of the Moderator except Qswitched. I will return to what I have been doing, discussing COADE and COADE only. NAOP is persona non grata to me until he apologizes for his personal attacks and pledges to stop them. The offer remains on the table always. Thanks everyone. Blocking people is a thing... |
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Post by newageofpower on Feb 15, 2017 3:36:15 GMT
telling argonbalt to do his job on his first day, and so forth. I will admit, I had... some serious concerns when qswitched made argonbalt a mod last night. I drafted a letter to qswitched, then decided to hold off and wait to see if Argon would rise to his new responsibilities before saying anything. His... antics earlier today almost had me go send the message as a kneejerk reaction, but I calmed down a little and am going to withold judgement... For now. Hint: Undeleting and locking the evidence pile as David367th suggested might be a good start. Undeleting posts that dV removed in said thread would be a mark of sincerity and dilligence. As for dV... I find it ironic that argonbalt initially had an instant reaction ruling against me (cause 'more ppl complained about you first = guilty', amirite?) but dV automatically assumed SEXISM RACISM OPPRESHUN!111 and repeatedly lashed out at our new moderator. Once David called him out on it, though, and explained Argon is hardly a friend of mine, he immediately changed his tune - but not without half the thread noticing he deleted stacks of posts flaming Argon as some kind of tyrant. LOL. |
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Post by argonbalt on Feb 15, 2017 3:47:28 GMT
telling argonbalt to do his job on his first day, and so forth. I will admit, I had... some serious concerns when qswitched made argonbalt a mod last night. I drafted a letter to qswitched, then decided to hold off and wait to see if Argon would rise to his new responsibilities before saying anything. His... antics earlier today almost had me go send the message as a kneejerk reaction, but I calmed down a little and am going to withold judgement... For now. Hint: Undeleting and locking the evidence pile as David367th suggested might be a good start. Undeleting posts that dV removed in said thread would be a mark of sincerity and dilligence. As for dV... I find it ironic that argonbalt initially had an instant reaction ruling against me (cause 'more ppl complained about you first = guilty', amirite?) but dV automatically assumed SEXISM RACISM OPPRESHUN!111 and repeatedly lashed out at our new moderator. Once David called him out on it, though, and explained Argon is hardly a friend of mine, he immediately changed his tune - but not without half the thread notifing he deleted stacks of posts flaming Argon as some kind of tyrant. LOL. The main reason i moved to act quickly was due to multiple users taking issue with your posts, as a community moderator, there in of a community that has a rule "Don't be a dick" under which multiple people have seen your posts, that justified action. Now as for Dv as of a few hours ago he has said that he will walk away from the argument, this i consider fantastic. Now i would take it as a grate favour not to me, but perhaps to the forum members at large if you mirrored this action, that means in future as well. A de-escalation keeps everyone un muted, un banned and still posting with the only consequence being an acknowledged separation zone. Don't reply to his posts and or simply block him. |
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Post by newageofpower on Feb 15, 2017 4:00:19 GMT
The main reason i moved to act quickly was due to multiple users taking issue with your posts, as a community moderator, there in of a community that has a rule "Don't be a dick" under which multiple people have seen your posts, that justified action. Now as for Dv as of a few hours ago he has said that he will walk away from the argument, this i consider fantastic. Now i would take it as a grate favour not to me, but perhaps to the forum members at large if you mirrored this action, that means in future as well. A de-escalation keeps everyone un muted, un banned and still posting with the only consequence being an acknowledged separation zone. Don't reply to his posts and or simply block him. My problem with you (as a moderator, not as a fellow forumite) is not due to the speed of your actions, but the lack of correctness. As for dV, I still have not spoke to him. I have not replied a single post he's made, nor replied to his 4 6 7 PMs. I'd block him, except I was part of a few discussions on threads he just-so-happened to start, and would like to continue following them. I've been doing this far before your warning/threat, and I'll continue to avoid him. *tips hat* Our business is concluded. Good day to you, Sheriff. |
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Post by Enderminion on Feb 15, 2017 4:36:15 GMT
with all this talk of escalation and descalation I feel like some people are praticing Brinkmanship, the idea of "slapping" the opponet and daring them to cross the line (Example, 1962, USN Warplanes drop PDC near a soviet sub, soviet sub preps a 10kt nuclear torpedo).
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Post by argonbalt on Feb 15, 2017 4:44:35 GMT
Let's not forget operation Paul Bunyan
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Post by David367th on Feb 15, 2017 4:46:41 GMT
with all this talk of escalation and descalation I feel like some people are praticing Brinkmanship, the idea of "slapping" the opponet and daring them to cross the line (Example, 1962, USN Warplanes drop PDC near a soviet sub, soviet sub preps a 10kt nuclear torpedo). Oh that torpedo bomber that buzzed your multi-trillion dollar aircraft carrier? Nah that wasn't an attack run, he thought it was Russian carrier tovarisch. |
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Post by caiaphas on Feb 15, 2017 20:50:57 GMT
Wait a tick, why are we even letting anyone but mods and supermods delete threads and posts anyways? I've been on plenty of forums where that was a thing and there was never an issue with that.
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Post by David367th on Feb 15, 2017 20:59:50 GMT
Wait a tick, why are we even letting anyone but mods and supermods delete threads and posts anyways? I've been on plenty of forums where that was a thing and there was never an issue with that. Probably settings set by qswitched whos a game developer not a professional forum administrator. |
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Post by caiaphas on Feb 15, 2017 21:04:01 GMT
Wait a tick, why are we even letting anyone but mods and supermods delete threads and posts anyways? I've been on plenty of forums where that was a thing and there was never an issue with that. Probably settings set by qswitched whos a game developer not a professional forum administrator. True. Should we ask qswitched to change it? |
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Post by David367th on Feb 15, 2017 21:10:43 GMT
Probably settings set by qswitched whos a game developer not a professional forum administrator. True. Should we ask qswitched to change it? I don't know if it's really that important, but if qswitched or argonbalt want to change the settings on deleting replies that's on them I guess. |
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