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Post by argonbalt on Mar 6, 2017 3:29:06 GMT
Delta adding more chemical pumped images or chemical pumped lasers in the like Kw? Cw? range will not help your inefficient mirror alignment
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Post by deltav on Mar 6, 2017 3:36:17 GMT
Well i have reviewed your long article and i can say i do not really see the connection as a source, mainly because the article does not really give any in depth mirror alignment diagrams. Further more as far as i can tell all of the lasers featured in game use a Optical pumping elliptoid chamber beamer Your sited article further states that an important break through in laser development is the development of Chemical-pumping charged beamers All of the weapons in the article as far as i can see use this method, this is like apples to oranges for laser use. So no this is not really relevant to the lasers we have in the game, i suggest you take a second and read en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_pumping as you will see how vastly different these systems are. It gives enough to see that the beam control and turret control requires multiple mirrors, more than two. From the link, here is the beam control and the turret. In the turret there are at least 4 mirrors besides the pre focusing and focusing mirrors. In the beam control you can see there are at least 9 mirrors. Note that we have not even discussed the laser yet, just the turrets and the beam control.   As far the way the laser is pumped, that does not affect turret design. Chemical lasers, arc pumped laser, diode lasers, no matter the way the beam is generated, the beam control and turrets will not differ based on the way the beam is generated, although whether the laser is pulsed or steady state could be relevant, as well as the wavelength of the laser beam. I want to repeat again that we are not talking about the laser, but only the way the beam is controlled and fed to the turret. |
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Post by David367th on Mar 6, 2017 3:37:52 GMT
I want to repeat again that we are not talking about the laser, but only the way the beam is controlled and fed to the turret. Deltav what argonbalt has been trying so patiently to say is that the way the laser is handled and fed into the turret is entirely dependent on the kind of laser and its use. |
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Post by argonbalt on Mar 6, 2017 3:47:28 GMT
DeltaV are you on the discord server? I will honestly and patiently go through this with you in person, instead of clogging up this fan art thread. Lasers are very complicated and you seem to be missing the point of what i am saying here, i would gladly clarify it in person because i honestly think that is the only way you will understand my point.
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Post by deltav on Mar 6, 2017 3:58:21 GMT
DeltaV are you on the discord server? I will honestly and patiently go through this with you in person, instead of clogging up this fan art thread. Lasers are very complicated and you seem to be missing the point of what i am saying here, i would gladly clarify it in person because i honestly think that is the only way you will understand my point. Your condescending tone is a bit disappointing as well. I've shown you that real laser turrets must use 4-5 mirrors just like my design. I've shown you that your turret redesign cannot rotate or track targets and therefore is not a turret. I've shown you that multiple mirrors in general are an important part of laser design and do not appreciably reduce efficiency. Therefore I've proven my drawing is accurate and similar to real world designs and in contradiction to your statements attacking me personally as "not knowing what I am talking about". My designs is both reasonable and probable. So the burden of proof is on you. All you have to do is show me a laser turret that looks like your design. The turret must be mounted separately from the laser, and the turret can only have two mirrors like your design. Please share when you find one.  Peace I'm out. |
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Post by argonbalt on Mar 6, 2017 4:02:35 GMT
DeltaV are you on the discord server? I will honestly and patiently go through this with you in person, instead of clogging up this fan art thread. Lasers are very complicated and you seem to be missing the point of what i am saying here, i would gladly clarify it in person because i honestly think that is the only way you will understand my point. Your condescending tone is a bit disappointing as well. I've shown you that real laser turrets must use 4-5 mirrors just like my design. I've shown you that your turret redesign cannot rotate or track targets and therefore is not a turret. I've shown you that multiple mirrors in general are an important part of laser design and do not appreciably reduce efficiency. Therefore I've proven my drawing is accurate and similar to real world designs and in contradiction to your statements attacking me personally as "not knowing what I am talking about". All you have to do to prove me wrong is show me a laser turret, where the turret is mounted separately from the laser, which only two mirrors like your design. Please share when you find one. Delta if you used as much effort to argue(or delete posts, which once again i can see) to learn what i was saying you would already know you were mistaken. Since you do not want to put the effort in and interpret it like you always do as a "personal attack" or "condescending tone" i cannot in good faith waste my time and yours. |
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 4:26:48 GMT
Warning, deltav is losing his control just like the last time |
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Post by teeth on Mar 6, 2017 9:55:08 GMT
I've shown you that real laser turrets must use 4-5 mirrors just like my design. I've shown you that your turret redesign cannot rotate or track targets and therefore is not a turret. He wasn't saying that the entire system would only use those mirrors, he was saying that it was a simplification for the focusing part in particular "What i was editing was the emitter/turret specifically". You can imagine a few mirrors behind it to keep the light flowing through that hole. |
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Post by dv2 on Mar 6, 2017 11:40:20 GMT
Hopefully with more colors it is more clear. The reason the "extra" mirrors are needed, is to get the laser beam from the green housing (that only rolls), to the black "ball" that allows pitch. Maybe there is a better way to do it (without using so many mirrors), but this is the way it is done in current high energy laser energy weapons the most advanced weapons today. The only thing left out is the beam director that get the beam from the laser to the turret, and changes the laser beam to a new turret is one is destroyed. Does anyone know if this depiction of the nonlinear optics is correct in placement? Where do they go?  |
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Post by bdcarrillo on Mar 6, 2017 14:24:09 GMT
Simply put, the emitter diagram fron argonbalt would not work in the CoADE turrets. If his diagram were articulated at the rear of the focusing chamber, then maybe, but there would still be additional mirrors.
Kind of frightening seeing a mod engaging in clearly flawed arguments and antagonizing folks with language and personal comments.
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Post by David367th on Mar 6, 2017 15:02:41 GMT
Simply put, the emitter diagram fron argonbalt would not work in the CoADE turrets. If his diagram were articulated at the rear of the focusing chamber, then maybe, but there would still be additional mirrors. Kind of frightening seeing a mod engaging in clearly flawed arguments and antagonizing folks with language and personal comments. Argon tried to explain his argument clearly and as politely as he could, not only did he not antagonize nor attack with personal comments, he offered to better explain his side away from the thread. Unfortunately deltav either ignored or discarded Argons points as attacks. This is something deltav has been doing to all of us on this thread as he tries to argue something he clearly doesn't know anything about. The lasers he shows are clearly not the ones we use ingame, and thus their mirror systems will be equally different, yet delta ignores this point and pulls a victim card when his argument is once again for the millionth time proven wrong. It is sad to see someone so active on these forums be so blatantly and willfully ignorant to others arguments, and the fact that he made an alternate account is disgraceful. |
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 15:03:17 GMT
What? Another conflict?
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Post by gedzilla on Mar 6, 2017 16:08:38 GMT
Oh god, not again
Can we please get back back to fan art (shitposty or not) ?
Please ?
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Post by bdcarrillo on Mar 6, 2017 16:22:04 GMT
Oh god, not again Can we please get back back to fan art (shitposty or not) ? Please ?  |
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Post by David367th on Mar 6, 2017 16:50:29 GMT
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