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Post by AtomHeartDragon on Aug 13, 2019 5:38:10 GMT
If you can get enough shielding for transit Ganymede should also be fine except for circumpolar areas. And that's on the surface - you can always dig into the ice.
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Post by airc777 on Aug 14, 2019 1:18:44 GMT
12,000 ton bucket wheel excavators arent that unreasonibly large, the biggest one extant today is about 13000 tons. Regular mining equipment is massive enough that if properly engineered it should just be its own rad shielding. Normal mining shafts are plenty deep enough and pottentially large enough that you could build a factory in them. Im not convinced its that much more of a problem. If your idea of a colony is like 24 people then yeah thats a lot to invest in, but if your idea of a colony is several thousand and making hundreds of tons of annual exports then you are going to have some industry to build things. They might not be ideal places to settle but I don't see why we can't. I would still assume we'd do it with a relatively small maintenance crew opperating an otherwise autonomous mining base, and then the population centers will be massive stations in orbit of jupiter somewhere outside of the worst of the radiation.
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Post by jageriv on Nov 18, 2019 22:13:12 GMT
We all know that the Jovian moons are basically rad-cooked hot-rocks. Io, Europa, and Ganymede are too rad-hot for cursory visits or long-term habitation due to Jupiter's immense magnetic field. (This is partly why I hate Europa report so much). [...] But what about the Saturnine system? Uranian system? Neptunian system? I can't find any numbers for them. Titan might be a rad-cooked rock, or not. Or maybe Titania or Miranda. Good links on the topic, if your still interested: toughsf.blogspot.com/2017/02/how-to-live-on-other-planets-jupiter.htmlTough SF does take a somewhat optimistic approach to these things, but I don't see anything about his numbers which are wrong. Jupiter might be more colonization than you would initially think. He's done the other planets as well if you want to look at the other works. |
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Post by bigbombr on Nov 19, 2019 19:44:26 GMT
We all know that the Jovian moons are basically rad-cooked hot-rocks. Io, Europa, and Ganymede are too rad-hot for cursory visits or long-term habitation due to Jupiter's immense magnetic field. (This is partly why I hate Europa report so much). [...] But what about the Saturnine system? Uranian system? Neptunian system? I can't find any numbers for them. Titan might be a rad-cooked rock, or not. Or maybe Titania or Miranda. Good links on the topic, if your still interested: toughsf.blogspot.com/2017/02/how-to-live-on-other-planets-jupiter.htmlTough SF does take a somewhat optimistic approach to these things, but I don't see anything about his numbers which are wrong. Jupiter might be more colonization than you would initially think. He's done the other planets as well if you want to look at the other works. If you want the link to the ToughSF discord, here it is: discord.gg/eBxr7fLink will last one day. Discussion is pretty lively. |
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Post by cipherpunks on Nov 20, 2019 15:14:49 GMT
If you want the link to the ToughSF discord [...] Link will last one day. Discussion is pretty lively. Is my understanding correct that Discord is just a proprietary (!) chat-archive-like 'JS app' that is closed to general (e.g. anonymous) public even for just reading, and is hosted on some coprorate infrastructure ( total vendor 'goodwill' dependency) and is not really suitable for transferring plain textual data outside of that cage ( data compatibility/transferability? backup-ability? none, I guess)? What is the point, then? I mean, c'mon, even IRC archives were much, much more user-friendly back in the day, and also they had no bad habit of eating all of my computer's RAM (and most CPU cores) by means of "modern browser" bloatware. Then there are email lists ( and corresponding archivers/aggregators). If one doesn't want that - he/she/it can set up a wiki (repo-based or not), or a forum, as god-awful as they are ( remember - most forum engines are parse-able/transferrable/archivable/backupable). Call me an old fart if You will, but the point of this Discord's ( and the like - Slack?) very existence is beyond me, at the moment at least. Especially when ToughSF seems to be involved. Sorry, can't see no toughness in that, at all. What I can see, though, is that immature gamer minds are getting bent sideways by greedy corps, with profit for the latter only, ofc. |
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