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Post by SevenOfCarina on Apr 26, 2017 20:24:37 GMT
Unfortunately, I don't have the game, which is why I don't post very often here. My system simply cannot run it.
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Post by SevenOfCarina on Apr 26, 2017 20:33:53 GMT
How would Venus keep Mercury from gaining independence or at least autonomy? They have vital resources, access to massive amounts of solar energy, and their mass drivers can ward off an invasion fleet. I think competing city-states would make for a very interesting plot element, especially when foreign powers get involved. The political system seems intriguing, but how is their voting factor determined? Wouldn't that be very easy to abuse by some people? (Internal corruption would probably make an interesting plot element.) How does the government keep control of every city? Most of them (or at least the larger ones) would be self-sufficient, and war on Venus would be a slow, drawn out affair. This is because there is no oxygen in the Venusian atmosphere, so no jet engines. There would be quite a lot of air drag, so transportation would happen either by airship or by suborbital hob. Travel time drastically limits the size an empire/nation can be. Part of the reason the Roman Empire got so big and laster so long was their excellent road network, allowing for rapid movement of troops and supplies. Mercury is independant. It's just mostly owned by Venus. Venus holds control over Mercury mostly through 'soft' power. Voting factor determination is an issue I'm yet to tackle. But yes, there are always those who are malevolent. Venus has a very complex political system, and a very complicated society. I've sat at it for a month and I'm still only scratching the edges of what I need to establish, in terms of Venus alone. One of the readons I chose this style of governance for Venus are the numerous possibilities. Think of Venus as a heriarchy. The entirety of Venus is divided into numerous 'groups' of cities that share common ideology. The government doesn't 'control' each city. Each city governs itself. It just choses to cooperate with the other cities on issues beyond its jurisdiction. The Venusian 'government' is in fact, extremely fragile, and is only sustained by high educational and moral standards on Venus, as well as widespread economic and social equality. Competing city-states is an interesting idea, but my idea was to contrast a cold war on Luna and a hot war on Mars with peace on Venus. The whole system can't be screwed up, after all, can it? But I shall consider this.
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Post by SevenOfCarina on Apr 26, 2017 20:40:16 GMT
I am now off to bed. Good night.
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Post by bigbombr on Apr 26, 2017 20:48:06 GMT
How would Venus keep Mercury from gaining independence or at least autonomy? They have vital resources, access to massive amounts of solar energy, and their mass drivers can ward off an invasion fleet. I think competing city-states would make for a very interesting plot element, especially when foreign powers get involved. The political system seems intriguing, but how is their voting factor determined? Wouldn't that be very easy to abuse by some people? (Internal corruption would probably make an interesting plot element.) How does the government keep control of every city? Most of them (or at least the larger ones) would be self-sufficient, and war on Venus would be a slow, drawn out affair. This is because there is no oxygen in the Venusian atmosphere, so no jet engines. There would be quite a lot of air drag, so transportation would happen either by airship or by suborbital hob. Travel time drastically limits the size an empire/nation can be. Part of the reason the Roman Empire got so big and laster so long was their excellent road network, allowing for rapid movement of troops and supplies. Mercury is independant. It's just mostly owned by Venus. Venus holds control over Mercury mostly through 'soft' power. Voting factor determination is an issue I'm yet to tackle. But yes, there are always those who are malevolent. Venus has a very complex political system, and a very complicated society. I've sat at it for a month and I'm still only scratching the edges of what I need to establish, in terms of Venus alone. One of the readons I chose this style of governance for Venus are the numerous possibilities. Think of Venus as a heriarchy. The entirety of Venus is divided into numerous 'groups' of cities that share common ideology. The government doesn't 'control' each city. Each city governs itself. It just choses to cooperate with the other cities on issues beyond its jurisdiction. The Venusian 'government' is in fact, extremely fragile, and is only sustained by high educational and moral standards on Venus, as well as widespread economic and social equality. Competing city-states is an interesting idea, but my idea was to contrast a cold war on Luna and a hot war on Mars with peace on Venus. The whole system can't be screwed up, after all, can it? But I shall consider this. Competition can mean war, but can also mean more peaceful means. Imagine the various city-state trying to out-do each other at something like the Olympics, or try to become the dominant player in Venusian culture through popmusic and tv (think the massive impact Hollywood has an global culture). This could actually mesh well with the complexity of it's political system as it means things like power are more nebulous and shifting than in a military dictatorship.
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Post by bigbombr on Apr 26, 2017 21:02:08 GMT
Unfortunately, I don't have the game, which is why I don't post very often here. My system simply cannot run it. I have a laptop from 2009 with an i3-2350M CPU running at 2.30 GHz. Windows 7, 64 bits. 8 GB of RAM. If you turn down graphics to near-minimum, you don't need much to run this game. Essentially, graphene and 3D-graphene are very much superior for a lot of purposes. Graphene is lighter than lithium, but about 17 times stronger than vanadium chromium steel, the strongest stock material. It's high melting point, extreme strengt and excellent thermal conductivity make it orders of magnitude better as a rocket nozzle material than diamond and boron. It seems unbeatable as a coilgun material (good electrical conductivity, low density, extreme strengt, high melting point). It makes excellent radiators. In short, it's more or less the best material for a great variety of roles and isn't composed of some rare and expensive element but just carbon. This means that Venusian cities can take CO 2 out of the atmosphere, use energy to split it in carbon and O 2, use the carbon to make graphene and fill a balloon made out of graphene with the O 2 for buoyancy. This allows them to keep expanding their cities until they run out of energy or the atmosphere ceases to contain mostly CO 2, as this would decrease the buoyancy of their balloons and their cities would sink lower in the atmosphere, where the air is hotter. Though, at this point, the greenhouse effect would be greatly diminished.
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Post by newageofpower on Apr 26, 2017 21:24:04 GMT
Personal opinion: your universe doesn't seem to make sense. With widespread molecular printing, how would you stop anyone from building laserstars? How would Venus exert control over anybody? Without a central government, there's basically no way people won't violate Europa. Why would Mercury want vast imports of Deuterium? Giga-terawatt scale electric drives offer exhaust velocities (and thus, dV) superior to fusion. Unless you're building military warships, dV greatly exceeds raw thrust in importance. At Mercury orbit, solar power is ridiculously cheap and grants incredible amounts of power for miniscule investment. If you're unsure about graphene, someone modded it for CoaDE. Try it, see how it changes your designs and use this to get an intuitive grasp on the impact it would have on your story. Graphene is incredible. Using Graphene based substances, my Assault Carrier has twice the dV under half the mass, carries twice as many drones and thirty percent more missiles. My main guns go from 44km/s (vs Capital range ~500km) to 400km/s, and become the main armament, rather than missiles or drones. My drones go from 20km/s gundrone swarms with 100mw anti-laser flashlights to 100km/s flying assault cannons and 1GW laser drills with incredible intensity at range. My missiles are half the size but have equivalent or superior performance, and have actual armor now. With high density graphene based materials (i.e. Graphene-Iridium) for reflectors, I can max out the fusion fuel intensity and build single-stage nukes in the hundreds of megaton range!
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Post by The Astronomer on Apr 27, 2017 2:33:51 GMT
Surprised the Jovian system isn't a self-contained superpower. It has ludicrous amounts of free energy via Jupiter Dynamo, the largest moons hold vast amounts of varied resources, one of the largest sources of water in the Solar System - Europa, which is more life-friendly than any other colony site bar Venus. Venus is difficult to extract resources from, though it's the easiest place to support human life on. It does have higher solar energy density than the Earth orbit. Mars cannot be completely terraformed to Earth standard; it's lower gravity and lack of a magnetosphere means that atmospheric erosion significantly exceeds replenishment. If you were to put oceans on Mars, most of them would boil off before a millenia has passed; it's not quite far enough from the sun. What is the manufacturing tech in your universe? CoADE-style molecular printing? Conventional machining? Industrial Nanorobotics? "I. AM. OFFENDED!" - Some technology guyTHE SOLUTION? THE GLORIOUS MAGSHIELD MK1*! The Jovian moons are, like I stated earlier, still in the late colonization phase. The fact that they have the resources of the Jovian system is the one of the few things stopping the inner worlds from simply crushing them. Also, Europa will likely end up quarantined, to 'protect' whatever life that may or may not exist there. Venus has strong trade relations with Mercury for this very reason. It hasn't been terraformed yet. I'm not going to explain the Martian boondoggle, but Mars in its very, very early terraformation stage. Constant warfare has done more to thicken the atmosphere than any terraformation installations till date. The terrorists are not helping. As for the sustenance of Earth-like conditions? That is a plot hole that needs fixing. Frankly, this is where I need help. I'm imagining CoaDE style molecular printing being the dominant production method, but most 'large' manufactured goods needing to be assembled conventionally. There will probably be none of the CoaDE '3D print entire warships' attitude. Most industrial 3D printers will be highly specialised for individual tasks, and more versatile household 3D printers will be very limited in terms of size, materials and complexity. Mercury can offer Venus metals. But what can Venus offer Mercury? Carrying water or carbon dioxide through the atmosphere and out of the gravity well seems harder than just getting the stuff from the belt or the outer planets. And does Venus even have the capabilities for interplanetary trade on the scale of Mercury? Mercury just has to fire payloads out of mass drivers. Venus has to use rockets, and like I stated in a previous post, is probably highly balkanized due the practicalities of Venusian colonies. Are graphene and similar easily mass produced? If no, than that drastically lowers performance of every faction, but especially Venusian colonies would grow slower. We've already found the way to mass produce graphene.
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Post by newageofpower on Apr 27, 2017 3:14:38 GMT
The AstronomerPractical issues (like, building or powering the damn thing) of a giant 320 martian radius magshield aside, the gravity of Mars is just too damn low. Sure, if you were okay with a atmospheric average temperature near cryogenic levels (like with Titan) you could maintain a fairly thick atmosphere, but that defeats the purpose of terraformation!
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Post by Enderminion on Apr 27, 2017 3:17:31 GMT
Don't you just take tape to graphite to make graphene? newageofpower
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Post by The Astronomer on Apr 27, 2017 3:26:50 GMT
The Astronomer Practical issues (like, building or powering the damn thing) of a giant 320 martian radius magshield aside, the gravity of Mars is just too damn low. Sure, if you were okay with a atmospheric average temperature near cryogenic levels (like with Titan) you could maintain a fairly thick atmosphere, but that defeats the purpose of terraformation! Why do you even need it to be that large?
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Post by Enderminion on Apr 27, 2017 3:40:02 GMT
The Astronomer Practical issues (like, building or powering the damn thing) of a giant 320 martian radius magshield aside, the gravity of Mars is just too damn low. Sure, if you were okay with a atmospheric average temperature near cryogenic levels (like with Titan) you could maintain a fairly thick atmosphere, but that defeats the purpose of terraformation! Why do you even need it to be that large? your pick said R=~320 martian radius's (radiai?)
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Post by The Astronomer on Apr 27, 2017 3:42:54 GMT
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Post by newageofpower on Apr 27, 2017 3:47:21 GMT
Don't you just take tape to graphite to make graphene? newageofpowerShort Version: No. Long Version: Build me a Graphene Rocket Nozzle with that method. The Astronomer Practical issues (like, building or powering the damn thing) of a giant 320 martian radius magshield aside, the gravity of Mars is just too damn low. Sure, if you were okay with a atmospheric average temperature near cryogenic levels (like with Titan) you could maintain a fairly thick atmosphere, but that defeats the purpose of terraformation! Why do you even need it to be that large? Ok, not 320 Mars Radii. *Shrug* even a 1 Mars radii magshield is an enormous task. And doesn't solve the boiloff problem to the level required for shirtsleeves habitability.
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Post by The Astronomer on Apr 27, 2017 4:43:44 GMT
Don't you just take tape to graphite to make graphene? newageofpower Short Version: No. Long Version: Build me a Graphene Rocket Nozzle with that method. Why do you even need it to be that large? Ok, not 320 Mars Radii. *Shrug* even a 1 Mars radii magshield is an enormous task. And doesn't solve the boiloff problem to the level required for shirtsleeves habitability. Did you even read my response JUST above yours? Link to that post is here: childrenofadeadearth.boards.net/post/20664/thread
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Post by SevenOfCarina on Apr 27, 2017 7:08:03 GMT
I have a laptop from 2009 with an i3-2350M CPU running at 2.30 GHz. Windows 7, 64 bits. 8 GB of RAM. If you turn down graphics to near-minimum, you don't need much to run this game. Essentially, graphene and 3D-graphene are very much superior for a lot of purposes. Graphene is lighter than lithium, but about 17 times stronger than vanadium chromium steel, the strongest stock material. It's high melting point, extreme strengt and excellent thermal conductivity make it orders of magnitude better as a rocket nozzle material than diamond and boron. It seems unbeatable as a coilgun material (good electrical conductivity, low density, extreme strengt, high melting point). It makes excellent radiators. In short, it's more or less the best material for a great variety of roles and isn't composed of some rare and expensive element but just carbon. This means that Venusian cities can take CO 2 out of the atmosphere, use energy to split it in carbon and O 2, use the carbon to make graphene and fill a balloon made out of graphene with the O 2 for buoyancy. This allows them to keep expanding their cities until they run out of energy or the atmosphere ceases to contain mostly CO 2, as this would decrease the buoyancy of their balloons and their cities would sink lower in the atmosphere, where the air is hotter. Though, at this point, the greenhouse effect would be greatly diminished. Try a single core CPU running at 2.20 GHz with 1.024 GB of RAM. Minimal graphics would still crash the game.
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