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Post by Rocket Witch on Mar 5, 2017 15:57:25 GMT
While we're at it, nothing tops the Great White Fleet imo. Might start doing up my own ships in magnesium & titanium nitride now we have ten layers. I think this kind of thing is more likely for a modern space force though. Just pennant numbers and stripes. Looks really nice. I fully approve of these replacements and hope they get put in the game. Personally I think these are too ornate, and the radiator colours and amount of boron I'm seeing suggest hyperoptimisation. The stock ships appear atrociously unoptimised because they're more realistic in terms of safety and the expected masses and shielding required out of things that won't decay or chemically react like sodium, fluorine, lithium-6, etc. After the gun update, the only thing they're missing performance-wise is pointed noses and armour more advanced than monolithic slabs of RCC, and maybe all the lasers being frequency quadrupled but that's a bit boring. If I saw a trailer with tukuro's ships I wouldn't have taken the game's claims of realism as seriously, but if they just had basic stripes or designs like covering the ends or midsection in gold, nameplates, and a layer of paint over the whipple shield it would be fine.
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Post by concretedonkey on Mar 5, 2017 16:07:01 GMT
I fully agree with Rocket Witch ... I might do a shot at this, going to using only stock components, just pure redesign.
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Post by Easy on Mar 5, 2017 16:17:06 GMT
I think this kind of thing is more likely for a modern space force though. Just pennant numbers and stripes. The Legend of Galactic Heroes ships are mostly mass produced. There isn't much incentive to decorate number 6,234 of 10,000. That said the hull finish will affect which frequencies the hull will be most visible at that. Radiators can overwhelm the hull reflection/emission but with a matte black hull you can be rid of most of the visible spectrum and only have infrared and whatever the radiators emit. and the radiator colours and amount of boron I'm seeing suggest hyperoptimisation. The stock ships appear atrociously unoptimised because they're more realistic in terms of safety and the expected masses and shielding required out of things that won't decay or chemically react like sodium, fluorine, lithium-6, etc. After the gun update, the only thing they're missing performance-wise is pointed noses and armour more advanced than monolithic slabs of RCC, and maybe all the lasers being frequency quadrupled but that's a bit boring. If I saw a trailer with tukuro's ships I wouldn't have taken the game's claims of realism as seriously, but if they just had basic stripes or designs like covering the ends or midsection in gold, nameplates, and a layer of paint over the whipple shield it would be fine. I very much like that stock ships tend to use aluminum, silicon and other very common and accessible elements. Boron is a fairly rare material and while warships would want to use the best materials available there is still going to be rationing of strategically important elements. Same with Lithium which is common enough, but calcium and magnesium are much more common.
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Post by theholyinquisition on Mar 5, 2017 22:28:00 GMT
Well we also have this : But those are japanese so you might dismiss them as just being weird ... Seriously though, I have nothing against decoration, but so many decorative layers are seriously hurting your armor layer budget... on the other hand if we had purely decorative layers .... . Then again so much Bling might hurt your opponents sensors So Anime art for Nippon Prime battleships. Though traditional Japanese art may be both better suited to their style and better for those poor people afflicted with an Anime allergy. For the Glorious Democratic Republic of the Free People, South-East Asia has an a wealth of traditional images that would look pretty badass on a warship The Iroquois Resurgence would obviously use art based on traditional or (XXIe) contemporary Iroquois art For the United Sol Trade Alliance, probably traditional Western military art, possibly with traditional European and Chinese art? For the Liberty Exchange... I have no idea. Let's say US comic book/newspaper comic art? Note that both the RFP, USTA and LE may have more diverse art than their baselines, as population was shuffled during the Exodus, and they don't have an identity strongly linked to a past Earth heritage like NP and IR. I think that anime wouldn't fit, since Nippon Prime focuses a lot more on the imperial-shogunate eras, as well as the 1930s militarism. And I'm pretty sure with globalization, the effects of the mass migration, and the focus on survival, all culture is very, very, different. USTA is supposed to be Russian, so that's that, and the Liberty Exchange either has 1. No decoration, because that's a waste of money or 2. Ridiculous spaceships covered in the most valuable material possible.
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 5, 2017 22:30:11 GMT
So Anime art for Nippon Prime battleships. Though traditional Japanese art may be both better suited to their style and better for those poor people afflicted with an Anime allergy. For the Glorious Democratic Republic of the Free People, South-East Asia has an a wealth of traditional images that would look pretty badass on a warship The Iroquois Resurgence would obviously use art based on traditional or (XXIe) contemporary Iroquois art For the United Sol Trade Alliance, probably traditional Western military art, possibly with traditional European and Chinese art? For the Liberty Exchange... I have no idea. Let's say US comic book/newspaper comic art? Note that both the RFP, USTA and LE may have more diverse art than their baselines, as population was shuffled during the Exodus, and they don't have an identity strongly linked to a past Earth heritage like NP and IR. I think that anime wouldn't fit, since Nippon Prime focuses a lot more on the imperial-shogunate eras, as well as the 1930s militarism. And I'm pretty sure with globalization, the effects of the mass migration, and the focus on survival, all culture is very, very, different. USTA is supposed to be Russian, so that's that, and the Liberty Exchange either has 1. No decoration, because that's a waste of money or 2. Ridiculous spaceships covered in the most valuable material possible. USTA is Russo-Chinese FYI, and yes Nippon Prime is more pre 30s militerized in stule
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Post by apophys on Mar 5, 2017 23:41:30 GMT
There isn't much incentive to decorate number 6,234 of 10,000. The captain of #6234 may disagree with you. "There are many like it, but this one is mine." Unique decoration can also have an intimidation factor if that particular vessel is known for skill or brutality. Also:
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Post by Easy on Mar 5, 2017 23:53:51 GMT
There isn't much incentive to decorate number 6,234 of 10,000. The captain of #6234 may disagree with you. "There are many like it, but this one is mine." Unique decoration can also have an intimidation factor if that particular vessel is known for skill or brutality. Also: the conformity discipline of the Navy will matter. Maybe the captain will be tolerated and other ships paint themselves or maybe the captain is removed from duty for the offense. Also the empire ships all have really nice art and wood paneling.
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Post by tukuro on Mar 5, 2017 23:54:22 GMT
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Post by theholyinquisition on Mar 5, 2017 23:57:19 GMT
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Post by Durandal on Mar 6, 2017 0:00:03 GMT
You know, I'd like to see the results of the redesigns in this thread vs the less ornate but more practical designs in the other.
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Post by tukuro on Mar 6, 2017 0:06:24 GMT
Once we have dedicated decorative layers those 2-3 μm of electroplated gold foil and cobalt paint aren't going to make much of a difference - both in terms of mass and cost - on a multi-kiloton ship. It's simply a matter of the relationship between volume and surface area.
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Post by theholyinquisition on Mar 6, 2017 0:13:29 GMT
Once we have dedicated decorative layers those 2-3 μm of electroplated gold foil and cobalt paint aren't going to make much of a difference - both in terms of mass and cost - on a multi-kiloton ship. It's simply a matter of the relationship between volume and surface area. This is a total war doctrine, the brass will look to cut whatever corners they can.
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Post by tukuro on Mar 6, 2017 0:29:10 GMT
Once we have dedicated decorative layers those 2-3 μm of electroplated gold foil and cobalt paint aren't going to make much of a difference - both in terms of mass and cost - on a multi-kiloton ship. It's simply a matter of the relationship between volume and surface area. This is a total war doctrine, the brass will look to cut whatever corners they can. Except that - if we assume real-world paint densities and layer thickness - not painting every ship in the fleet will not save you enough resources to construct even a single Gunskiff. This is also not about minmaxing every single component to the last gram, mm², μliter or credit. If I were to do that then doctrine itself would look different and by extension the ships. But that isn't the goal of the project. Which is mainly to update the modules to reflect the community's findings, and improve the looks of the ships, while keeping their overall purposes and campaign roles intact.
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Post by Easy on Mar 6, 2017 0:37:44 GMT
Once we have dedicated decorative layers those 2-3 μm of electroplated gold foil and cobalt paint aren't going to make much of a difference - both in terms of mass and cost - on a multi-kiloton ship. It's simply a matter of the relationship between volume and surface area. This is a total war doctrine, the brass will look to cut whatever corners they can. who said this was total war? That isn't decoration, these are docking indicators and high visibility safety bands.
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 6, 2017 0:51:49 GMT
Marauder:*Check's time* Phew. Just in time. Tonight's submission is the Marauder. It has comparable armament to the Corvette, with four 33 MW railguns, but a lower number of small guns. It also comes with 2 G of wet acceleration. This one is also less ornate than the previous submissions. Tomorrow I'll be doing the Solar Lance. Oh my god, is that a giant torpedo? Cool ship, btw <---(I don't know the meaning of this word yet)
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