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Post by bigbombr on Feb 15, 2017 22:05:31 GMT
Of course! What is the point of a longsword? that is a filthy dirt eaters tool! In space a single well place jab with a sabre will pierce suit flesh and heart a fatal decompression! Sabres can also be machined from aluminium for as they must only be sharp tipped! Saving weight and space! Are you mixing up a rapier (used almost exclusively for stabbing) with a sabre (mainly used for cutting)? Either way, in the close quarters of a spaceship, a cutlass or trench knife would be better. Or a wrist-mounted gyrojet or metalstorm sidearm.
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Post by argonbalt on Feb 15, 2017 23:07:58 GMT
Unfortunately even mechanically pressurised suits cannot save you from a quintuple bypass, via rapier. Bio-foam injectors might.
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Post by argonbalt on Feb 15, 2017 23:09:14 GMT
Of course! What is the point of a longsword? that is a filthy dirt eaters tool! In space a single well place jab with a sabre will pierce suit flesh and heart a fatal decompression! Sabres can also be machined from aluminium for as they must only be sharp tipped! Saving weight and space! Are you mixing up a rapier (used almost exclusively for stabbing) with a sabre (mainly used for cutting)? Either way, in the close quarters of a spaceship, a cutlass or trench knife would be better. Or a wrist-mounted gyrojet or metalstorm sidearm. Hey metal storm!? this is a duel not a hamburger meat making competition!
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Post by David367th on Feb 16, 2017 1:27:16 GMT
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Post by theholyinquisition on Feb 16, 2017 17:40:42 GMT
Subtract that /s. Metal-storm based sandcasters could provide extremely effective CIWS and possibly challenge the laser meta.
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Post by teeth on Feb 16, 2017 17:45:56 GMT
I think shaped charge flak, essentially single-use shotguns would be more effective. Much lighter than a Metal Storm type weapon since you don't need so many barrels, and it's a more efficient use of explosives you're going to mount on missiles anyways.
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Post by Enderminion on Feb 16, 2017 17:48:13 GMT
I think shaped charge flak, essentially single-use shotguns would be more effective. Much lighter than a Metal Storm type weapon since you don't need so many barrels, and it's a more efficient use of explosives you're going to mount on missiles anyways. Shotguns with a VERY big choke, Shaped charge is what they use to kill tanks, though they call it HEAT
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Post by teeth on Feb 16, 2017 17:52:41 GMT
I think shaped charge flak, essentially single-use shotguns would be more effective. Much lighter than a Metal Storm type weapon since you don't need so many barrels, and it's a more efficient use of explosives you're going to mount on missiles anyways. Shotguns with a VERY big choke, Shaped charge is what they use to kill tanks, though they call it HEAT It'd still be a shaped charge, the term simply refers to an explosives energy being sent in a certain direction. Basically you'd have a thick boron backing with a cone cut into it and filled with explosives, then a thinner and weaker osmium cap that gets shattered and propelled by the explosion.
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Post by Enderminion on Feb 16, 2017 17:57:47 GMT
Shotguns with a VERY big choke, Shaped charge is what they use to kill tanks, though they call it HEAT It'd still be a shaped charge, the term simply refers to an explosives energy being sent in a certain direction. Basically you'd have a thick boron backing with a cone cut into it and filled with explosives, then a thinner and weaker osmium cap that gets shattered and propelled by the explosion. Or I use a heat charge and get to stand 15Km away from your ship and drill it with a laser accurate glob of molten metal
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Post by teeth on Feb 16, 2017 18:02:00 GMT
It'd still be a shaped charge, the term simply refers to an explosives energy being sent in a certain direction. Basically you'd have a thick boron backing with a cone cut into it and filled with explosives, then a thinner and weaker osmium cap that gets shattered and propelled by the explosion. Or I use a heat charge and get to stand 15Km away from your ship and drill it with a laser accurate glob of molten metal That's fine for anti-ship missiles, but it's too precise for interceptor missiles. The problem with flak as an interceptor warhead is it sprays in every direction and wastes a lot of its potential damage, a shaped flak warhead puts all of the metal where it counts. Since space warships have little to no armor and 15 km isn't very far to travel compared to the 1000 that most laser defenses will put it through, a bunch of shaped flak missiles would probably be better than two types of missiles.
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Post by Enderminion on Feb 16, 2017 18:11:18 GMT
Or I use a heat charge and get to stand 15Km away from your ship and drill it with a laser accurate glob of molten metal That's fine for anti-ship missiles, but it's too precise for interceptor missiles. The problem with flak as an interceptor warhead is it sprays in every direction and wastes a lot of its potential damage, a shaped flak warhead puts all of the metal where it counts. Since space warships have little to no armor and 15 km isn't very far to travel compared to the 1000 that most laser defenses will put it through, a bunch of shaped flak missiles would probably be better than two types of missiles. How would a heat charge act in space, I probably should have asked that first, being liquid metal I imagine it would disperse in vacuum
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Post by teeth on Feb 16, 2017 18:17:08 GMT
That's fine for anti-ship missiles, but it's too precise for interceptor missiles. The problem with flak as an interceptor warhead is it sprays in every direction and wastes a lot of its potential damage, a shaped flak warhead puts all of the metal where it counts. Since space warships have little to no armor and 15 km isn't very far to travel compared to the 1000 that most laser defenses will put it through, a bunch of shaped flak missiles would probably be better than two types of missiles. How would a heat charge act in space, I probably should have asked that first, being liquid metal I imagine it would disperse in vacuum Roughly the same as an NEFP, just non-nuclear charge so it'd be weaker.
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Post by Enderminion on Feb 16, 2017 18:23:04 GMT
How would a heat charge act in space, I probably should have asked that first, being liquid metal I imagine it would disperse in vacuum Roughly the same as an NEFP, just non-nuclear charge so it'd be weaker. if its weaker then we can focus the charge better, Octogen is HMX and cyclonite is RDX, they can both be plasticized into a clay to focus the blast and jet of molten material trivia, plasticized is a word while cyclonite and Octogen are not according to the spell checker
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Post by omnipotentvoid on Feb 16, 2017 18:32:40 GMT
How would a heat charge act in space, I probably should have asked that first, being liquid metal I imagine it would disperse in vacuum Roughly the same as an NEFP, just non-nuclear charge so it'd be weaker. That depends on how you defined the "formed" in explosively formed projectiles. The liquid metal jets formed in HEAT and most modern EFP or SC warheads is point focused and disperses rapidly after the focal point if it isn't inside some medium that prevents it from expanding (say tank or ship armor). Naturally, EFPs that remain solid avoid that problem.
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Post by David367th on Feb 16, 2017 18:37:28 GMT
Subtract that /s. Metal-storm based sandcasters could provide extremely effective CIWS and possibly challenge the laser meta. Just make tiny little railguns and slap 200 of them on a ship. Who cares if you have 200 some crew, you can shoot down everything now.
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