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Post by gfarrell80 on Dec 23, 2017 6:32:13 GMT
minor thing, instead of 40cm of empty space you could stuff that space with Graphite Aerogel to improve defense It is already surviving quite well against stock weapons, I'm going to try skinnying it up even more to see if it maintains the same level of effectiveness. Nose on and a long pointy cone really helps amazingly.
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Post by Prancer on Dec 28, 2017 2:59:46 GMT
I've just bought the game. Having read through this thread and also the wiki this is what I'm getting:
A-Carbon, Boron Filament, and Diamond are great general purpose materials for bulk armor. RCC also works but is expensive and an unspecialized monolithic material. VC Steel (especially) or Beta Titanium is also good as a main layer. Curious does anyone know how Amorphous C-Steel compares? Sounds like an A-carbon/VC-Steel/Diamond composite is the way to go. Boron Filament seems to have dropped in popularity since its not the old Boron.
Graphite aerogel is almost a must for stuffing Whipple Shields. Si-gel is great against lasers and nuke flashes as a coating.
Aramid fiber and nitrile rubber are better choices for anti-laser armor. Former on a per-weight basis and latter on a per-cost basis.
Titanium carbide is the best nuke flash armor. Or is Si-gel? Not sure.
Tin, Cadmium, or Lead is great for a whipple shield.
Osmium, iridium, or tungsten is great for a hard outer shell.
Spider silk is a great spall liner/bumper. Cheap and light. Other materials mentioned for spall-liners are Boron Filament, A-Carbon, polyethylene, and nitrile rubber.
So it would appear that the optimum armor scheme would appear as follows (innermost to outermost layer): 2cm? Spidersilk 1cm A-Carbon 1cm VC-Steel (These three layers are probably going to be of varying thickness) Also, AC Steel or Beta Titanium seem to be viable cheaper substitutes, but that's just from my own time in-game. 1cm Diamond 50cm-1m graphite aerogel (maybe even 2m?) 5mm tin whipple shield (or osmium?? There seem to be two competing schools of thought for whipple shields. One supporting a relatively soft metal, and the other a high density hard metal) <5mm titanium carbide (against nuke flashes) 1cm aramid fiber (alternatively the last two layer could be replaced with Si-gel. Or the Ti-Carbide might be considered optional?)
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Post by shynung on Dec 28, 2017 3:17:22 GMT
Also worth mentioning is that sloped armor is highly effective. It's hilarious watching half a dozen gunships let loose at a single ship with a pointy nose pointed at them, all while almost all their shots bounce harmlessly off a mere 1mm thick aluminium whipple shield without so much as scratching it, for minutes at a time.
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Post by gfarrell80 on Dec 28, 2017 5:03:36 GMT
I've just bought the game. Having read through this thread and also the wiki this is what I'm getting: A-Carbon, Boron Filament, and Diamond are great general purpose materials for bulk armor. RCC also works but is expensive and an unspecialized monolithic material. VC Steel (especially) or Beta Titanium is also good as a main layer. Curious does anyone know how Amorphous C-Steel compares? Sounds like an A-carbon/VC-Steel/Diamond composite is the way to go. Boron Filament seems to have dropped in popularity since its not the old Boron. Graphite aerogel is almost a must for stuffing Whipple Shields. Si-gel is great against lasers and nuke flashes as a coating. Aramid fiber and nitrile rubber are better choices for anti-laser armor. Former on a per-weight basis and latter on a per-cost basis. Titanium carbide is the best nuke flash armor. Or is Si-gel? Not sure. Tin, Cadmium, or Lead is great for a whipple shield. Osmium, iridium, or tungsten is great for a hard outer shell. Spider silk is a great spall liner/bumper. Cheap and light. Other materials mentioned for spall-liners are Boron Filament, A-Carbon, polyethylene, and nitrile rubber. So it would appear that the optimum armor scheme would appear as follows (innermost to outermost layer): 2cm? Spidersilk 1cm A-Carbon 1cm VC-Steel (These three layers are probably going to be of varying thickness) Also, AC Steel or Beta Titanium seem to be viable cheaper substitutes, but that's just from my own time in-game. 1cm Diamond 50cm-1m graphite aerogel (maybe even 2m?) 5mm tin whipple shield (or osmium?? There seem to be two competing schools of thought for whipple shields. One supporting a relatively soft metal, and the other a high density hard metal) <5mm titanium carbide (against nuke flashes) 1cm aramid fiber (alternatively the last two layer could be replaced with Si-gel. Or the Ti-Carbide might be considered optional?) It all depends on what you are going to be going up against and how much delta V and money you want to sacrifice. Light relatively cheap armor that works pretty well versus the stock weapons in a nose-on high angle conical configuration: Anti Spall layer: 2 cm Spider Silk Rigid Kinetic/Thermal layer: 1 cm Amorphous Carbon Malleable Kinetic/energy absorbing layer: 2 cm Aluminum Thermal/Energy absorbing layer: 8 cm Graphite Aerogel Whipple shell void: 35 cm Empty Whipple shell backer: 8 mm Aluminum Whipple shell outer layer: 2 mm Diamond Alternately: Anti Spall: 2 cm Spider Silk Rigid Kinetic: 1 cm Boron or Beta Titanium Rigid Kinetic/thermal: 1 cm Amorphous Carbon Thermal/Energy absorbing layer: 2 cm Polyethylene Whipple shell void: 35 cm Empty Whipple shell backer: 8 mm Aluminum Whipple shell outer layer: 2 mm Diamond It may be possible to go even thinner and cheaper and maintain similar effectiveness.
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Post by dwwolf on Dec 28, 2017 11:50:40 GMT
Bulk boron is dead as armor or structural material.
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Post by Rocket Witch on Dec 28, 2017 19:55:47 GMT
Bulk boron is dead as armor or structural material. Hmm. Has anyone tried it as armour post-nerf or just assumed this? It's still very hard with a high shear modulus.
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Post by RiftandRend on Dec 29, 2017 22:26:12 GMT
The most effective armor I have found is stacked stuffed whipple shields. Angle the below armor profile at 70+ degrees to the tangent and you should be immune to anything short of multi-MJ projectiles fired at the ROF cap. If you want more protection, increase the thickness of the layers.
(Outer) 5mm diamond 5mm boron filament 1000mm graphite aerogel repeat 3x. 5mm Li-6 (inner)
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Post by Enderminion on Dec 31, 2017 6:37:55 GMT
I've just bought the game. Having read through this thread and also the wiki this is what I'm getting: A-Carbon, Boron Filament, and Diamond are great general purpose materials for bulk armor. RCC also works but is expensive and an unspecialized monolithic material. VC Steel (especially) or Beta Titanium is also good as a main layer. Curious does anyone know how Amorphous C-Steel compares? Sounds like an A-carbon/VC-Steel/Diamond composite is the way to go. Boron Filament seems to have dropped in popularity since its not the old Boron. Graphite aerogel is almost a must for stuffing Whipple Shields. Si-gel is great against lasers and nuke flashes as a coating. Aramid fiber and nitrile rubber are better choices for anti-laser armor. Former on a per-weight basis and latter on a per-cost basis. Titanium carbide is the best nuke flash armor. Or is Si-gel? Not sure. Tin, Cadmium, or Lead is great for a whipple shield. Osmium, iridium, or tungsten is great for a hard outer shell. Spider silk is a great spall liner/bumper. Cheap and light. Other materials mentioned for spall-liners are Boron Filament, A-Carbon, polyethylene, and nitrile rubber. So it would appear that the optimum armor scheme would appear as follows (innermost to outermost layer): 2cm? Spidersilk 1cm A-Carbon 1cm VC-Steel (These three layers are probably going to be of varying thickness) Also, AC Steel or Beta Titanium seem to be viable cheaper substitutes, but that's just from my own time in-game. 1cm Diamond 50cm-1m graphite aerogel (maybe even 2m?) 5mm tin whipple shield (or osmium?? There seem to be two competing schools of thought for whipple shields. One supporting a relatively soft metal, and the other a high density hard metal) <5mm titanium carbide (against nuke flashes) 1cm aramid fiber (alternatively the last two layer could be replaced with Si-gel. Or the Ti-Carbide might be considered optional?) It all depends on what you are going to be going up against and how much delta V and money you want to sacrifice. Light relatively cheap armor that works pretty well versus the stock weapons in a nose-on high angle conical configuration: Anti Spall layer: 2 cm Spider Silk Rigid Kinetic/Thermal layer: 1 cm Amorphous Carbon Malleable Kinetic/energy absorbing layer: 2 cm Aluminum Thermal/Energy absorbing layer: 8 cm Graphite Aerogel Whipple shell void: 35 cm Empty Whipple shell backer: 8 mm Aluminum Whipple shell outer layer: 2 mm Diamond Alternately: Anti Spall: 2 cm Spider Silk Rigid Kinetic: 1 cm Boron or Beta Titanium Rigid Kinetic/thermal: 1 cm Amorphous Carbon Thermal/Energy absorbing layer: 2 cm Polyethylene Whipple shell void: 35 cm Empty Whipple shell backer: 8 mm Aluminum Whipple shell outer layer: 2 mm Diamond It may be possible to go even thinner and cheaper and maintain similar effectiveness. you might as well fill any voids with Graphite Aerogel, 20mm of spall liner is a bit much
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Post by AdmiralObvious on Dec 31, 2017 20:56:28 GMT
Bulk boron is dead as armor or structural material. Hmm. Has anyone tried it as armour post-nerf or just assumed this? It's still very hard with a high shear modulus. Straight Boron is pretty weak I've found. I've ended up using Boron Fiber as a be all, end all inner armor, with proper whipple shielding, and enough of a buffering, like aerogel, a half cm of boron fiber can deflect mostly everything. Raw boron itself makes a semi competent whipple shield though.
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Post by tangentialthreat on Jan 1, 2018 6:34:31 GMT
What about turret armor? No whipple shields allowed here. I've had some success with aramid or boron fiber, but still occasionally lose a turret on the spacehulk.
I've noticed that my hull armor is nearly invincible to stock railguns, but rounds can fly through the holes left by destroyed nosecone turrets. I have an 8mm VCS radiation shield/firewall between the turret-heavy nosecone and the fuel tanks to catch stray bullets. This is heavy but fairly effective.
Also my current hull armor, optimized by random guessing:
5mm Spider Silk (innermost) 3cm Nitrile Rubber 2.5mm VCS 50mm Graphite Aerogel 2.5mm VCS 50mm Graphite Aerogel 1mm Aluminum 1mm Diamond (outermost)
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Post by AdmiralObvious on Jan 1, 2018 7:40:18 GMT
What about turret armor? No whipple shields allowed here. I've had some success with aramid or boron fiber, but still occasionally lose a turret on the spacehulk. I've noticed that my hull armor is nearly invincible to stock railguns, but rounds can fly through the holes left by destroyed nosecone turrets. I have an 8mm VCS radiation shield/firewall between the turret-heavy nosecone and the fuel tanks to catch stray bullets. This is heavy but fairly effective. Also my current hull armor, optimized by random guessing: 5mm Spider Silk (innermost) 3cm Nitrile Rubber 2.5mm VCS 50mm Graphite Aerogel 2.5mm VCS 50mm Graphite Aerogel 1mm Aluminum 1mm Diamond (outermost) Turrets are funny like that. It's really going to depend on what you're facing. Titanium Nitride seems to be good versus nukes, and to a lesser extent against lasers, along with some kinetic resistance. If you aren't going up against lasers or nukes (incredibly unlikely, but possible) Vanadium Chromium Steel, or any of the fibers (Boron, UHMPWE) tend to work rather well at bouncing shots which don't come in insanely fast. If you want ONLY laser resistivity, Rubber works unreasonably well. Though that's going to make it essentially useless when poked even slightly hard. On the topic of whipple shielding, as a side note. Lithium seems to work really well too, if laid on fairly thick (about 5mm to 1cm, though more seems better). As ANOTHER a side note. Has anyone messed with spacers and the new concave armors? I was recently watching my friend stream the game (while I was explaining how to make a nuclear reactor to him... fun times). He had the genius idea of using spacers, (the widening kind) to, more or less make a front facing disk of armor, followed rearward with a conical nose like shape going back the rest of the hull. He added the weapons around the ring of the disk. This disk basically protected everything shot at it from the front, when he added an additional disk, and then later a thick steel radiation shield, all as buffers from front facing fire. It looked like an old fashioned UFO got impaled by a rocket, but it seemed to basically beat all the stock designs except for face first nuke contact and flak.
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Post by RiftandRend on Jan 2, 2018 1:39:00 GMT
As ANOTHER a side note. Has anyone messed with spacers and the new concave armors? I was recently watching my friend stream the game (while I was explaining how to make a nuclear reactor to him... fun times). He had the genius idea of using spacers, (the widening kind) to, more or less make a front facing disk of armor, followed rearward with a conical nose like shape going back the rest of the hull. He added the weapons around the ring of the disk. This disk basically protected everything shot at it from the front, when he added an additional disk, and then later a thick steel radiation shield, all as buffers from front facing fire. It looked like an old fashioned UFO got impaled by a rocket, but it seemed to basically beat all the stock designs except for face first nuke contact and flak. I'm having trouble visualizing this, can you post a screenshot?
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Post by AdmiralObvious on Jan 2, 2018 3:03:59 GMT
As ANOTHER a side note. Has anyone messed with spacers and the new concave armors? I was recently watching my friend stream the game (while I was explaining how to make a nuclear reactor to him... fun times). He had the genius idea of using spacers, (the widening kind) to, more or less make a front facing disk of armor, followed rearward with a conical nose like shape going back the rest of the hull. He added the weapons around the ring of the disk. This disk basically protected everything shot at it from the front, when he added an additional disk, and then later a thick steel radiation shield, all as buffers from front facing fire. It looked like an old fashioned UFO got impaled by a rocket, but it seemed to basically beat all the stock designs except for face first nuke contact and flak. I'm having trouble visualizing this, can you post a screenshot? It looked like this, with a super thick steel radiation shield as the ring, and weapons lining the ring.
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Post by Rocket Witch on Jan 2, 2018 4:20:40 GMT
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Post by RiftandRend on Jan 2, 2018 6:45:33 GMT
I'm having trouble visualizing this, can you post a screenshot? It looked like this, with a super thick steel radiation shield as the ring, and weapons lining the ring. Huh. That's kind of like my ships.
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