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Post by argonbalt on Jan 15, 2017 23:58:55 GMT
Man fuck tv tropes, and by extension if that is how you are judging whether or not you buy something is pretty dumb. I mean Steam has a reviews section were you can check out what people thought of the game.
Seriously the people who rely on/run tv tropes for their definitions of reality are absolutely fucking insane like 90% of the time, not to mention judging a piece of media by it's "tropes" is like talking to a human being by sampling their biological material and running a tissue scan analysis.
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Post by apophys on Jan 16, 2017 9:19:10 GMT
The backstory is not hardness 5.5, but the gameplay is definitely hardness 5.5 (if you look beyond the bugs that will eventually get fixed). The game would not be in any way inconvenienced if the backstory were entirely removed.
So the hardness rating on TVTropes is accurate.
Water vapor would condense into clouds btw, and although they insulate the ground, their effect of bouncing back sunlight counteracts this.
Overall, white clouds slightly cool the Earth.
Rising temperatures evaporate water, creating more clouds.
In result, there can be no runaway greenhouse effect. As far as I am aware, it is impossible. Greenhouse gas release can raise the equilibrium temperature for sure, but it won't go beyond a level of "somewhat uncomfortable."
Asteroid or comet impact / nuclear detonations / volcanoes kick up dust, which directly cools the Earth. So they cannot be a mechanism to juice up a greenhouse effect.
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Post by beta on Jan 16, 2017 14:24:56 GMT
In my view, with Earth being dead, people will try their best to survive, forming factions fighting for survival (not controlled by Earth), and probably the technology lag we saw in the game. (Just where are the fusion reactors, anyways?) I have a project that focuses about what if our Earth isn't dead: Project Prosperous. Don't worry, fusion power is only 20 years away! |
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Post by petrifiedwalnut on Jan 16, 2017 16:50:28 GMT
I did read the reviews on Steam. They were helpful. However, these reviews did not address the main issue that is bothering me, while TVTropes did. As you may have gathered, my knowing something about geology means that I have a different standard of 'hard' when it comes to science fiction than most of the gamers reviewing on Steam. I suspect that I will buy it now, if only for CoaPE.
As for water vapor, yes it is a greenhouse gas, but once it gets high enough in the atmosphere it not only condenses out to form cloud, but then rains back to the surface, leaving the heat of condensation in the upper atmosphere behind, at which point said heat is above all of the greenhouse gasses and can radiate away into space. This is the reason why tropical rainforests have temperatures that max out around 30-35o C, while tropical deserts can get up over 50o C. This puts an upper limit on how warm the Earth can get - for example, in the middle Cretaceous, 100 million years ago, there were no significant ice bodies anywhere on the planet and I don't think we know how much CO2 there was (the various proxy measurements disagree, but it was somewhere between 600 and 2000 ppm). The temperature at the poles was 15-20 oC or so, and probably above freezing even in the winter when there was no sunlight. However the tropical oceans were no higher than 40o C. They just had incredible amounts of rainfall.
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 16, 2017 17:43:45 GMT
I understand, as someone who adores palaeontology my self, obviously life has survived in even more extreme conditions and forms for millennia.I mean imagine the delight of the extremeophile bacteria when they wake up one morning to discover that the entire earth is now an extreme temperature and acidity bed!
But the point remains you can replace it with any number of super severe nuclear or climatological disasters and the answer will always usually come back to: Well it would still be easier to clean up the Earth and simply re settle. Movies like Interstellar have always glossed heavily over this part.
But also once again this game is not called "Absolute sterilising/Earth destroying climatological simulator and analysis". Qswitched just needed to get the population blocks into space under a reasonable excuse.
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Post by Easy on Jan 16, 2017 18:13:25 GMT
Earth is old and busted. The reason is unimportant. Blame it on the molemen.
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Post by apophys on Jan 16, 2017 18:13:36 GMT
A much better excuse is economic interests.
Mining the asteroids can bring valuable metals down to Earth for profit. Once we have economic activities offworld, it's a logical step for colonies to form and oversee material extraction, eventually simply expanding of their own accord. Economic interests of various parties clash, providing reason for conflict (just like here on Earth).
Also, I've seen predictions that we will start running out of phosphorus on Earth in about 50 years, with the way we're flushing it out in farm runoff and sewage. Phosphorus being one of the elements essential for life.
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Post by thorneel on Jan 16, 2017 18:14:24 GMT
As for water vapor, yes it is a greenhouse gas, but once it gets high enough in the atmosphere it not only condenses out to form cloud, but then rains back to the surface, leaving the heat of condensation in the upper atmosphere behind, at which point said heat is above all of the greenhouse gasses and can radiate away into space. This is the reason why tropical rainforests have temperatures that max out around 30-35 o C, while tropical deserts can get up over 50 o C. This puts an upper limit on how warm the Earth can get - for example, in the middle Cretaceous, 100 million years ago, there were no significant ice bodies anywhere on the planet and I don't think we know how much CO 2 there was (the various proxy measurements disagree, but it was somewhere between 600 and 2000 ppm). The temperature at the poles was 15-20 oC or so, and probably above freezing even in the winter when there was no sunlight. However the tropical oceans were no higher than 40 o C. They just had incredible amounts of rainfall. Interesting, so a Venus runaway is impossible by those means (are there events, natural or not, that could cause it without having to wait for the Sun to get hotter?) So here is a Children of a Frozen Earth v0.1 mod:  Go to [...]\Steam\SteamApps\common\Children of a Dead Earth\Resources\Textures Duplicate the earth.jpg file (to keep the original around just in case), rename the copy something like earth_old.jpg or earth_original.jpg Then use your favourite image editor (or just use Paint) to fill earth.jpg with white (with Paint, simply Ctrl-A then Del to blank the image). (Yay my first mod!) For added bonus, you may imagine that CoaFE happens in the same universe than the original Transperceneige comic. I mean the film Snowpiercer was nice, but the original seems more appropriate there. |
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Post by thorneel on Jan 16, 2017 18:21:01 GMT
Movies like Interstellar have always glossed heavily over this part. Must. Resist. Rant. Stupidest. Apocalypse. Ever. Must! Resist! |
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Post by hast5250 on Jan 16, 2017 18:29:43 GMT
Buy it. it is totally worth it.  |
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Post by argonbalt on Jan 16, 2017 18:40:01 GMT
Oh man im glad im not the only one who was like, wait wait hold on, you have rapid SSTO shuttles, which like solves ninety percent of the damn space problem right then and there, and additionally you are leaving because you are too stupid to put up some domes and breed de-nitrifying bacteria? (is there even enough nitrogen to replace/harm oxygen breathing animals?)
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Post by David367th on Jan 17, 2017 1:29:37 GMT
Quick sort of off topic side note, I think CDE has a Venus Earth for the same reason The Martian had lethal dust storms on Mars. An excuse to get people trapped in space away from earth.
Both could use better realistic versions but, they make a good story I suppose.
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Post by petrifiedwalnut on Jan 17, 2017 1:33:32 GMT
This makes for not enough phosphorous on land for agriculture, but plenty in the ocean for marine life. Also, natural ecosystems on land made do without mined phosphorous since their origin. As a result, running out of phosphorous might destroy civilization, but not the planet. This would be a good way to get humans into space in a resource war (well, except for the fact that I don't know if phosphorous is any more common in space than on Earth...). Earth has about eighty bars worth of carbon dioxide locked away in carbonate rocks. Those do get recycled by mantle convection, which operates on a cycle of 1-2 billion years. So yes, if you could somehow shutdown carbonate precipitation in the oceans, and then wait a billion years, Earth would have a Venusian atmosphere. I guess you might also try to dissolve the carbonate out with acid, and Earth's atmosphere does have a lot of the makings for nitric acid - but still not nearly enough. Thanks for the review Another "hard" sci-fi that pays good attention to the physics but not the biology... |
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Post by Hicks on Feb 4, 2017 17:48:52 GMT
On interstellar: I was shouting at my TV when they were orbiting the black hole. Why? Because their orbit crossed the accretion disk. They were pictured above its glow, which was pretty, but they were twice dead: first from the X and Gamma rays blasting up from below them, and second because the orbit CROSSES THE FUCKING GLOWING ACCRETION DISK, which is SO FUCKING HOT IT GLOWS IN X AND GAMMA RAYS! The movie went from "ok, I can dig this" to "FUCK YOU THAT IS NOT HOW ORBITS WORK! PLAY SOME KERBAL SPACE PROGRAM YOU FUCKS!"
just had to get that off my chest.
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Post by Dhan on Feb 4, 2017 20:33:02 GMT
Of course the earth needs to be dead. If it wasn't, the game's name wouldn't be as cool. Children of an Undead(or worse, a Living) Earth? Pfff.
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