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Post by Kitten on Dec 26, 2016 11:33:45 GMT
For a lot of the game's purposes you can probably do without tankers. But if we're speculating on what would really happen, you see that fuel tanks have a huge volume and you can't reliably protect them in battle even against even incidental damage. Besides, most of the fuels can be reasonably treated as inert in space, so I think ships would actually be designed like warships at the end of the 19th century, that used their bunkered coal as extra armour. Why bother with tons of dedicated armour when you can just take the kilotons of inert Helium you will be carrying anyway and put them as ablative between the ship's vital parts and open space? And the real armour, rather than going outside, would go under the fuel like the armoured citadel of a sea-going battleship. This allows for a reasonable armour protection for crew compartments, computers, even the reactors—the parts of a ship you actually care about. Of course, the consequence of this is that losing fuel in battle is something even the winners will suffer (as well as losing radiators—but I think real warships would shave as much surface off the radiators as possible, with every trick their designers can think of). So any serious space navy would need tankers and space tugboats to support the battle fleet. Another reason to have tankers is they can actually ferry large ammounts of fuel around; drop tanks have to be fitted at a base. If you want your ships to be able to conduct long patrols away from port you need tankers for potentially unlimited underway replenishments. Drop tanks are fine for a pre-planned mission but they haven't replaced the need for tankers in real-life air forces either
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Post by n2maniac on Dec 28, 2016 18:49:53 GMT
most of the fuels can be reasonably treated as inert in space, so I think ships would actually be designed like warships at the end of the 19th century, that used their bunkered coal as extra armour. Why bother with tons of dedicated armor when you can just take the kilotons of inert Helium you will be carrying anyway and put them as ablative between the ship's vital parts and open space? Quick, lets hide the ship inside frozen fuel nuggets!
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Post by argonbalt on Dec 29, 2016 8:16:03 GMT
most of the fuels can be reasonably treated as inert in space, so I think ships would actually be designed like warships at the end of the 19th century, that used their bunkered coal as extra armour. Why bother with tons of dedicated armor when you can just take the kilotons of inert Helium you will be carrying anyway and put them as ablative between the ship's vital parts and open space? Quick, lets hide the ship inside frozen fuel nuggets! Sounds like the ice ships that the original free planets alliance founders used to escape the empire.
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Post by fenrin49 on Dec 29, 2016 8:19:37 GMT
isnt fuel boil off calculated? i mean has anyone tried throwing some external water tanks as anti death laser armor?
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Post by David367th on Dec 29, 2016 15:27:36 GMT
isnt fuel boil off calculated? i mean has anyone tried throwing some external water tanks as anti death laser armor? I'd imagine the tank would burst before the water could stop it, and would release all the water. If you were to use Aramid Fiber or Nitrile Rubber for the tanks, you might as well just have put the extra armor on the Capital.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Dec 29, 2016 15:50:40 GMT
Nowadays, I making design that make use of drop tank on the outside as the new design would have MPD or resistojet to travel home more efficient if they did use up nearly half of the fuel.
That and having external mounted fuel tank saved mass on armor which can then be used in more external fuel tank.
But most probably I will just get an additional fuel tank for help too if I want.
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Post by amimai on Dec 29, 2016 16:44:25 GMT
I use external tanks in my missiles and they tend to rupture as soon as a laser boat looks at them... I think that they are not great for armour.
But they are perfect to cheaply double missiles dV
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Post by dragonkid11 on Dec 30, 2016 0:29:28 GMT
You generally want the fuel tank on a missile or drone to be expended and ejected before a battle.
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