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Post by Enderminion on Jun 18, 2017 16:45:39 GMT
is there a benfit to haveing the inner armor layer spaced, seems to me that just allows fragments to spread out more, damageing more componets
Example: Solar Lance
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Post by Rocket Witch on Jun 18, 2017 18:52:21 GMT
I recently dug up an image I knew I had but couldn't find again online. It shows a large number of Soviet tank armour schemes from 1954–1993. Left should be the outside of the vehicle, so there is indeed a lack of spaced segments toward the rear in most cases, none of which are backed by a particularly thin plate. Grey is metal; yellow may be some kind of epoxy or foam; black may be extra plating added post-production; boxes with brown plates may be (N)ERA tiles; numbers denote millimetres thickness. |
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Post by pocok5 on Jun 18, 2017 19:37:23 GMT
Generally you sort of want to have spread out fragments so they don't concentrate their energy into one spot and break through. In COADE people usually use up to a meter or two of aerogels and other light materials between two hard layers so when the projectile impacts the outer layer it gets shattered or turned into plasma by ít's own kinetic energy. The aerogel slows down fragments and cools them down so the inner hard layer either doesn't even get touched or suffers only negligible damage. Such layers are often several times better than plain vacuum between the two armor layers, but for very thin outer whipple shields a large non-filled gap can prove effective when small caliber "sandblaster" style railguns come knocking. The projectile often gets turned entirely into plasma and the large space lets it scatter and only barely heat up the underlying armor.
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Post by Enderminion on Jun 18, 2017 20:49:15 GMT
Generally you sort of want to have spread out fragments so they don't concentrate their energy into one spot and break through. In COADE people usually use up to a meter or two of aerogels and other light materials between two hard layers so when the projectile impacts the outer layer it gets shattered or turned into plasma by ít's own kinetic energy. The aerogel slows down fragments and cools them down so the inner hard layer either doesn't even get touched or suffers only negligible damage. Such layers are often several times better than plain vacuum between the two armor layers, but for very thin outer whipple shields a large non-filled gap can prove effective when small caliber "sandblaster" style railguns come knocking. The projectile often gets turned entirely into plasma and the large space lets it scatter and only barely heat up the underlying armor. yes of coruse, but I'm talking about the innermost layer being spaced over the minimium armor size, like on the solar lance where the ship's single 35mm RCC bulk armor layer is spaced one meter over the ship. |
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Post by pocok5 on Jun 18, 2017 21:25:09 GMT
Generally you sort of want to have spread out fragments so they don't concentrate their energy into one spot and break through. In COADE people usually use up to a meter or two of aerogels and other light materials between two hard layers so when the projectile impacts the outer layer it gets shattered or turned into plasma by ít's own kinetic energy. The aerogel slows down fragments and cools them down so the inner hard layer either doesn't even get touched or suffers only negligible damage. Such layers are often several times better than plain vacuum between the two armor layers, but for very thin outer whipple shields a large non-filled gap can prove effective when small caliber "sandblaster" style railguns come knocking. The projectile often gets turned entirely into plasma and the large space lets it scatter and only barely heat up the underlying armor. yes of coruse, but I'm talking about the innermost layer being spaced over the minimium armor size, like on the solar lance where the ship's single 35mm RCC bulk armor layer is spaced one meter over the ship. Maybe they are doing it to get extra surface area for attaching heatsinks or guns. |
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Post by Enderminion on Jun 18, 2017 21:41:31 GMT
true, some stock ships fail with small wipple spacing
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Post by AdmiralObvious on Jun 18, 2017 22:02:13 GMT
Technically, all internal components are armored, regardless of what they are, with the exception of reactors, engines, and laser tubes.
Having the interior layer spaced does help a little bit as a last resort, especially when it comes to plasmid projectiles. It's especially useful against Uber high velocity sandblasters, usually.
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Post by DWwolf2 on Jun 18, 2017 22:45:39 GMT
Thats all very nicey.
But totally superfluous for CDE. We dont model advanced effects of projectile on armor. Modern armor relies on bending and shearing of long rods at speeds that are near the speed of sound in steel.
We deal with gram sized disks mostly at velocities that far exceed the speed of sound in the target materials.
BTW,
Those are mostly tank hull arrays.
The orange stuff is glassfibre reinforced resin if used in T64s. Steltexolite is the Russian name. The T72/T80 tend to use rubber in combination with many steel plates
Many many different variations of armor config were used, depending on year/model/Monkey(export) version etc etc.
T64s were the elite unit tanks. Filler tanks include T54/T55/T62, later T72 and T80.
T64s first used aluminum filled cavities in the turret. Later they also used Al2O3 balls dumped into the same pockets.
White spaces denote airgaps.
Black High Hard Steels. ( HHS ) or SHS.
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Post by Enderminion on Jun 19, 2017 1:57:32 GMT
T80s and T64s were the good tanks, T72s T90s and T62s were the fillers
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Post by Rocket Witch on Jun 19, 2017 2:41:23 GMT
yes of coruse, but I'm talking about the innermost layer being spaced over the minimium armor size, like on the solar lance where the ship's single 35mm RCC bulk armor layer is spaced one meter over the ship. Oh I see. I've done that myself for two reasons. 1: This gives room (in theory, dunno if ingame) for the armour to flex under stress and then back to its original shape without banging against any of the internals, which are mostly paper-thin propellant tanks that would collapse under any outside forces. 2: Vacuum between armour and internals delays heat transfer. We deal with gram sized disks mostly at velocities that far exceed the speed of sound in the target materials. Since the patch for conservation of energy in electric guns, my projectiles have mostly been rods. |
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Post by dwwolf on Jun 19, 2017 5:51:36 GMT
T80s and T64s were the good tanks, T72s T90s and T62s were the fillers The T80 was intended as the hightech tank but included many t72 features to cut costs. The turbine also was a cantankerous beast that never functiomed well. The end result was something that was somewhat better than the t72. Not lots better as the t64 vs t62/55/54. |
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