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Post by Enderminion on Mar 15, 2017 15:57:13 GMT
Mutually Assured Destruction, a cold war concept that states any exchange will completely destroy everyone involved.
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Post by ross128 on Mar 15, 2017 17:33:30 GMT
"WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL THE WORLD?!"
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Post by Hicks on Mar 17, 2017 9:47:00 GMT
So as said before, Q-ships are convoy escorts that don't outwardly look like warships, and false-flag is where you claim you are somebody else who can be trusted not to shoot somebody in the face to abuse that trust to get close enough to sombody to shoot them in the face, and smuggling a multimegaton thermonuclear device into your enemy's base is a black operation, because if you admit to it to get people to fear you then you are a terrorist.
But as far as the main post? Lasers didn't end the gunship, missile swarms did. Battles are fought by slinging missiles and drones far outside of laser range at one another, through screens of interceptor drones to get to the missile/drone platform, the capitol ship, which will be defending with laser drones and a big ass anti-missile/debris laser.
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 17, 2017 11:35:06 GMT
ahh but lasers are limited to 1Mm Hicks
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 17, 2017 11:56:51 GMT
So as said before, Q-ships are convoy escorts that don't outwardly look like warships, and false-flag is where you claim you are somebody else who can be trusted not to shoot somebody in the face to abuse that trust to get close enough to sombody to shoot them in the face, and smuggling a multimegaton thermonuclear device into your enemy's base is a black operation, because if you admit to it to get people to fear you then you are a terrorist. But as far as the main post? Lasers didn't end the gunship, missile swarms did. Battles are fought by slinging missiles and drones far outside of laser range at one another, through screens of interceptor drones to get to the missile/drone platform, the capitol ship, which will be defending with laser drones and a big ass anti-missile/debris laser. I found drones useless because they are only capable of using low-powered guns and lasers, and are easily disabled by lasers.
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 17, 2017 12:05:03 GMT
So as said before, Q-ships are convoy escorts that don't outwardly look like warships, and false-flag is where you claim you are somebody else who can be trusted not to shoot somebody in the face to abuse that trust to get close enough to sombody to shoot them in the face, and smuggling a multimegaton thermonuclear device into your enemy's base is a black operation, because if you admit to it to get people to fear you then you are a terrorist. But as far as the main post? Lasers didn't end the gunship, missile swarms did. Battles are fought by slinging missiles and drones far outside of laser range at one another, through screens of interceptor drones to get to the missile/drone platform, the capitol ship, which will be defending with laser drones and a big ass anti-missile/debris laser. I found drones useless because they are only capable of using low-powered guns and lasers, and are easily disabled by lasers. a nuclear strike can easily strip radiators and weapons rendering drones useless as well
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 17, 2017 12:17:23 GMT
I found drones useless because they are only capable of using low-powered guns and lasers, and are easily disabled by lasers. a nuclear strike can easily strip radiators and weapons rendering drones useless as well On the other hand, sufficiently laser-proof missiles are realistically useful, and are low-powered, reasonable ship lasers' formidable enemy.
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Post by dragonkid11 on Mar 17, 2017 12:28:54 GMT
>Implying capital ship won't suffer the same problem
Drones are fucking king of future space warfare, screws things like death when you can suicide charge and dump delta-V with no worry at all.
Also, gigawatt laser eat the shit out of anything besides special designed missile anyway.
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 17, 2017 12:30:26 GMT
>Implying capital ship won't suffer the same problem Drones are fucking king of future space warfare, screws things like death when you can suicide charge and dump delta-V with no worry at all. Also, gigawatt laser eat the shit out of anything besides special designed missile anyway. Really? How are we going to protect their weapons and radiators?
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Post by dragonkid11 on Mar 17, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
>Implying capital ship won't suffer the same problem Drones are fucking king of future space warfare, screws things like death when you can suicide charge and dump delta-V with no worry at all. Also, gigawatt laser eat the shit out of anything besides special designed missile anyway. Really? How are we going to protect their weapons and radiators? With goddamn armor obviously. How else do you protect your capital ship's weapons and radiators? By strapping people to it? The fact that drone can be WAY smaller than a manned version means that a drone can be armored for less price and mass, and drone can easily get more delta-V.
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Post by nerd1000 on Mar 17, 2017 12:51:14 GMT
And of course the best weapon for a smallish (sub capital size) drone is missiles or possibly smaller drones that launch missiles. So really we're gonna end up launching AI controlled interplanetary cluster missiles. Screw manned battleships, instead hit your enemy's base directly with a 100,000 strong swarm of soda can sized KKVs.
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Post by The Astronomer on Mar 17, 2017 12:57:57 GMT
Really? How are we going to protect their weapons and radiators? With goddamn armor obviously. How else do you protect your capital ship's weapons and radiators? By strapping people to it? The fact that drone can be WAY smaller than a manned version means that a drone can be armored for less price and mass, and drone can easily get more delta-V. Because of the square law, it's harder to get the armor thicker on smaller objects.And what laser-resistant material would you use for radiators?
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 17, 2017 13:11:45 GMT
he would most likely hide it behind armour, and exploit the turrets shooting through things bug
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Post by dragonkid11 on Mar 17, 2017 13:16:30 GMT
You think I would let my sub-capital drone close to laser in the first place?
Nope, missiles, shit loads of it, all launched from drone platforms for even more intercept speed.
And due to CUBE square law for the correct term, bigger ship has more surface area THEREFORE more armor mass is required.
While smaller drone will always require less armor mass for it because of their small size and small surface area.
Need more delta-V? Add more fuel tank! Still MORE reasonable than manned warship, with zero risk of death on top of it.
Besides, how would you protect your ship from laser?
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Post by Enderminion on Mar 17, 2017 13:26:39 GMT
I think I have a foot of Aramid fiber on my big ship, with between 10-30cm of diamond coated amorphus carbon on the outside of that, which is on top of a cm of Iridum and 6 inches of boron backed by 5cm of Para-aramid fiber. I also on that ship have enough lasers and interceptor missiles to hold out aganist enemy missile salvos, while dishing out missiles in return
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